[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Ravenmore]

Where is the probleme? to obtain the kindread seal? the drop rate of pop item is 100%. So when you do a ksnm, you get the item to pop the forced_pop nm, who will give you the item to King, with 0 concurrence or claim bot.

The ksnm was done for a alliance of 75's. So now, with more level and equipement, it should'nt be a problem.
And for BB items I hope the drop rate shoud be at least 10%. I'm not a monk, but I believe BB stat (STR+12, Haste+7,Subtle Blow+5, PDT-5%) require the time you will spend on it.

little correction its 12% haste 7 str

[Greatguardian]

Just take all the overpowered gear and weapons they gave us all and go rape EP mobs in 3-6 person alliance and get lots of KS. Why link other activites to things if you don't want to? Fro everyone else being able to pop Faf/Nid etc just by doing FoV seems pretty good, especially since all these NMs/BCNM can be low manned.

Only problem I can see is the mass overcrowding at king camps now till update day lol

Under optimum conditions, assuming 1 person is quartermastering Kindred Seals and absolutely 0 Beastman Seals drop, you can complete a KS99 Orb in 2 hours, 45 minutes. Assuming that there's a 1:1 ratio of BS to KS, that doubles to 5 hours, 30 minutes. Remove the "3-party Alliance" trick from the picture and it's tripled again to 16 hours, 30 minutes for a single orb straight farming solo.

You can't effectively spam farm when only 1 drops every 5 minutes. This is definitely focused around FoV and mid-game EXP parties.

[Zumi]

This is nothing compared to having to get up at stupid times waiting 3 hours to try and claim Fafnir, Aspi, KB. Getting 99 KS to get BB items is far less annoying then camping these days on end only to lose the claim most of the time.

[Yarly]

Please, please, please... Love of God, Love of God, Love of God...

Rare/Ex these items, they can't be sold, bazaared, or auctioned...

R/Ex is not synonymous with unsellable. But you're probably going to label people who sell r/ex drops cheaters or something, right?

[Kunihiro]

This is nothing compared to having to get up at stupid times waiting 3 hours to try and claim Fafnir, Aspi, KB. Getting 99 KS to get BB items is far less annoying then camping these days on end only to lose the claim most of the time.

You actually had to be there for a couple seconds, every 30 minutes.

[Rambus]

FTW? this system is horrible, first you have to get 99 KS, go to pop the NM and have a lesser drop rate for BB items???????????????/

this seems like a step back, not a step forward.

o How to obtain the trigger items:

Fafnir: Treasure from “Early Bird Catches the Wyrm”
Nidhogg: Treasure dropped by Fafnir
Behemoth: Treasure from “Horns of War”
King Behemoth: Treasure dropped by Behemoth
Adamantoise: Treasure from “The Hills are Alive”
Aspidochelone: Treasure dropped by Adamantoise

* At least one of these items will be dropped in every battle.

o The treasures dropped by the following notorious monsters will be adjusted as follows:

Fafnir : Wyrm Beard removed
Nidhogg : Drop rate of Wyrm Beard decreased
Behemoth : Behemoth Tongue removed
King Behemoth : Drop rate of Behemoth Tongue decreased
Adamantoise : Adamantoise Egg removed
Aspidochelone : Drop rate of Adamantoise Egg decreased

I think SE has lost thier mind I am shocked

[Krisan]

R/Ex is not synonymous with unsellable. But you're probably going to label people who sell r/ex drops cheaters or something, right?

Uh, name one EX item you can sell or trade? I don't know of any items labelled EX that can ever pass out of your characters hands, beyond that of vendoring it to an NPC at least.. (That's exactly what EX is - it stands for Exclusive, as in Exclusive to your possession.) There are non-ex items that have odd selling properties.. (Can't be vendored or AH'd, or even mailed.. but can be bazaared or traded. But that wasn't what Starcade was referring to or afraid of.)

Unless you mean "sell" by doing the run for someone, them paying you, and then allowing them to lot on it.. but I mean if you are, that's kinda retarded in how impractical it is for most people to setup.

[Karbuncle]

FTW? this system is horrible, first you have to get 99 KS, go to pop the NM and have a lesser drop rate for BB items???????????????/

this seems like a step back, not a step forward.

Are you referring to them removing BB drops from NQ's?
*Edit: Saw they decreased it for kings, Thats fuck-stupid.

Yah that was retarded. but from the way the update notes sound, Each KSNM/NM has a chance to drop more than one pop (Says "At least 1"). So we could go do a KSNM99, and get 2 pops for Fafnir, Kill faf and get 2 pops for Nid, multiplying your chances to pop him exponentially.

For those people without kindred seals when the update roles around, Its gunna suck. But you have about ~20 days to go farm some Kindred seals lol, Go Solo some Fields of Valor for a bit. Get some pops ready before the update :P

Uh, name one EX item you can sell or trade? I don't know of any items labelled EX that can ever pass out of your characters hands, beyond that of vendoring it to an NPC at least.. (That's exactly what EX is - it stands for Exclusive, as in Exclusive to your possession.) There are non-ex items that have odd selling properties.. (Can't be vendored or AH'd, or even mailed.. but can be bazaared or traded. But that wasn't what Starcade was referring to or afraid of.)

People sell EX items all the time. You buy the Lotting rights essentially.

For instance, Someone selling Byakko's Haidate, They'd kill the NM, if it drops, You pay them, Lot item.

[Tsuneo]

Uh, name one EX item you can sell or trade? I don't know of any items labelled EX that can ever pass out of your characters hands, beyond that of vendoring it to an NPC at least.. (That's exactly what EX is - it stands for Exclusive, as in Exclusive to your possession.) There are non-ex items that have odd selling properties.. (Can't be vendored or AH'd, or even mailed.. but can be bazaared or traded. But that wasn't what Starcade was referring to or afraid of.)

He was referring to buying a spot in a party to lot the item in the pool.

[Krisan]

People sell EX items all the time. You buy the Lotting rights essentially.

For instance, Someone selling Byakko's Haidate, They'd kill the NM, if it drops, You pay them, Lot item.

I edited my post to clarify this after posting - as it occurred to me what he probably meant by "sell" a second after I hit submit, apparently you replied just as I did that. XD

Yes I know, but this is pretty impractical for a lot of people. I think whether the items are EX or not is a valid concern. (I've little stake in this change myself, I'm mostly okay with it actually as a matter of fact, but clarity on stuff like this is nice for those that are concerned.)