[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

[Tsuneo]

People who are expecting to spam HQ HNMs obviously don't realize that no where does it say the HQ pop items are 100% or even a decent drop rate, so basically 99 KS =/= HQ pop.

[darkvision]

People who are expecting to spam HQ HNMs obviously don't realize that no where does it say the HQ pop items are 100% or even a decent drop rate, so basically 99 KS =/= HQ pop.

Fafnir: Treasure from “Early Bird Catches the Wyrm”
Nidhogg: Treasure dropped by Fafnir
Behemoth: Treasure from “Horns of War”
King Behemoth: Treasure dropped by Behemoth
Adamantoise: Treasure from “The Hills are Alive”
Aspidochelone: Treasure dropped by Adamantoise

* At least one of these items will be dropped in every battle.

also instead of just doing ks99 for a chance on an item, you get:-
* a chance on an item
* free nq king pop or multiple
* Possible multiple hq king pop (from NQ)
* and possible 2nd chance (if you beat nq)?

sounds like win for mnks they increased the chance to get BB item, people sound like KS are as rare as seing a d.ring drop get the hell out of abyssea then and do something else. SE never said anything about removing BB item from KS99 so untill they say so expect that it does since theydid mention that BB items are removed from NQ kings

edited to reflect OP edit

[RAIST]

People who are expecting to spam HQ HNMs obviously don't realize that no where does it say the HQ pop items are 100% or even a decent drop rate, so basically 99 KS =/= HQ pop.

And there is the rub. Do the KS99 for NQ pop item, which no longer has a chance to drop the target item--but can drop pop for HQ version. Now that HQ version will have a reduced drop rate. So, now you may have to do 3 fights and if you still have an unlucky roll and don't get the item, you have to do it ALL again.

Dropping the rate on the HQ doesn't bother me so much so long as the rate stays high and is not the 5-10% rates like some have seen with some of the NQ versions in the past--but I really don't get why they are pulling the drop from the NQ version all together.

1/5 chance to get item from KS99 fight, 100% chance to get NQ pop item
Fight NQ NM for what used to be 1/10 chance for item, now removed--but might get pop item for HQ NM (they didn't state if the HQ pop item will be 100% or what--imagine if it isn't).
Fight HQ NM for a chance to get item (drop rate unknown, but USED to be 100%).

So if you don't get the drop from the KS99 or the HQ NM , now you've done 3 fights and have to start over again. If you don't get it from the KS99 again, then you have 2 more fights and might still not get it. That means 6 fights and still no drop--and have to do it again.

In short, this has the potential to have a much worse drop rate than just spammning the KS99 as it is now.

[Tsuneo]

also instead of just doing ks99 for a chance on an item, you get:-
* a chance on an item
* free nq king pop
* free hq king pop (from NQ)
* and 2nd chance (if you beat nq)?

sounds like win for mnks they increased the chance to get BB item, people sound like KS are as rare as seing a d.ring drop get the hell out of abyssea then and do something else. SE never said anything about removing BB item from KS99 so untill they say so expect that it does since theydid mention that BB items are removed from NQ kings

The part you quoted states that the NQ pops are 100% drop rate not the HQ.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

also instead of just doing ks99 for a chance on an item, you get:-
* a chance on an item
* free nq king pop
* free hq king pop (from NQ)
* and 2nd chance (if you beat nq)?

sounds like win for mnks they increased the chance to get BB item, people sound like KS are as rare as seing a d.ring drop get the hell out of abyssea then and do something else. SE never said anything about removing BB item from KS99 so untill they say so expect that it does since theydid mention that BB items are removed from NQ kings

Fafnir: Treasure from “Early Bird Catches the Wyrm”
Behemoth: Treasure from “Horns of War”
Adamantoise: Treasure from “The Hills are Alive”
* At least one of these items will be dropped in every battle.

Nidhogg: Treasure dropped by Fafnir
King Behemoth: Treasure dropped by Behemoth
Aspidochelone: Treasure dropped by Adamantoise

So by the sounds of it, only the KSNM is 100% drop, with a chance for multiple drops from the KSNM.

So basically, 1 step forward, 196465745686749867459857389579846749865374 steps back.

[darkvision]

So by the sounds of it, only the KSNM is 100% drop, with a chance for multiple drops from the KSNM.

So basically, 1 step forward, 196465745686749867459857389579846749865374 steps back.

well they changed that from when they first posted but still gives possible more chances to get BB items

[Dazusu]

Did you actually read the post? They giving us the ability to fight these way more often. You can farm KSs really really easily. Whether any people with fight anything other than King Behemoth will remain to be seen.

Did YOU actually read the post?

This is the only way to get Black Belt items. How you can even suggest people might only kill KB is beyond me.

The king system just got a lot more tedious. You thought fighting against bots was bad; now you have to farm seals for hours and hours a day.

For those of you who bought your black belt items for 2m against botters, consider yourselves lucky. You got it easy.

You cry for change, you get change. Doesn't mean that change will always be good.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Did YOU actually read the post?

This is the only way to get Black Belt items. How you can even suggest people might only kill KB is beyond me.

The king system just got a lot more tedious. You thought fighting against bots was bad; now you have to farm seals for hours and hours a day.

For those of you who bought your black belt items for 2m against botters, consider yourselves lucky. You got it easy.

You cry for change, you get change. Doesn't mean that change will always be good.

If you don't need the belt, the only KSNM you'll fight is K. Behemoth, Hello Defending Ring!!!

[Dazusu]

If you don't need the belt, the only KSNM you'll fight is K. Behemoth, Hello Defending Ring!!!

Farming for a solid 8 hours (and this assumes optimal drop rate on Kindred Seals - as we all know, nothing is optimal in this game) for a chance at a D. Ring, given it's known drop rate - not bloody likely.

[Tsuneo]

Farming for a solid 8 hours (and this assumes optimal drop rate on Kindred Seals - as we all know, nothing is optimal in this game) for a chance at a D. Ring, given it's known drop rate - not bloody likely.

Well thats actually skipping the step of getting the HQ pop which wasn't stated to be 100% drop rate.