[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

[Chaani]

now won't it be fun to get the pop item and fafnir spawning instead of nihdogg as it says the BB items been removed from fafnir drops LOL

What? I think you misread the DEV post.

How to obtain the trigger items:

Fafnir: Treasure from “Early Bird Catches the Wyrm”
Behemoth: Treasure from “Horns of War”
Adamantoise: Treasure from “The Hills are Alive”
* At least one of these items will be dropped in every battle.

Nidhogg: Treasure dropped by Fafnir
King Behemoth: Treasure dropped by Behemoth
Aspidochelone: Treasure dropped by Adamantoise

[Mittenz]

I laughed. You all whine and complain how it should be force popped (even though on my server these things sometimes sit up for hours) and now you complain its unfair. Did you honestly think an item to pop fafnir would drop off a darter or something even triggers for gods drop off NM's. Now instead of sitting in aery for 3hrs you can farm for 8hrs 15Mins (more like 34hrs since it shares with up to 4 other spots in the pool and lets face it its not going to drop every 5mins exactly) for a KS 99 to pop a fafnir for a chance at fighting nidhogg which will drop your belt as for BB item at a reduced rate and these items have to take up some spot in the pool from KS99 so i would not be shocked at all if it takes that spot for the BB item as a chance at a 2nd trigger (since by the way it looks it MIGHT drop more than 1). AND YOU GET TO DO THIS ALL 3 TIMES YAYAYAYAY


So realistically if they keep the odds of fafnir dropping an nidhogg pop as it is for it spawning (1/4-8) you have a ~20% shot at MAYBE getting your trigger for a CHANCE at your fight for BB \(^-^)/ (About 170hrs or more of KS farming) so if its 50% drop rate from the HQ king and you need to do it 3x thats about 1020HRS (42.5 days straight or 127.5 days at 8hrs per day) (thats time spent working on farming seals not counting sleep work gathering people FOR the fights doing the fights and such pure farming KS) per black belt ^.~

tl:dr
enjoy this hole you dug yourselves glad I got my crap before this change

[Starcade]

This is probably the worst way to go about it. I get wanting to limit the amount of spamming of these HNMs but seriously you are making doing these HNMs exponentially difficult to do partially because of the fact that most high level players are no longer obtaining Kindred Seals.

And you think that wasn't the point of all this?

WAH WAH WAH, I can't use my bots to deny other players this content, WAH WAH FREAKING WAH... Most people who do this content have no business in this freaking game!

GO SCREW!!

Seriously.

The whole intent of this was to blow up the process as it currently was, and I'm glad they are doing something about it (years too late -- and still not enough!) to start denying the people who SHOULD be denied content the content.

Also are the trophy items being removed from the KS99 BCs? Do the NQ Kings drop HQ King pop items all the time (ie 100%)? All of this on top of making black belt harder to get by taking away the 100% from the HQs.This system is so convoluted now - pop-HNM are worse. Is there any upside? Will Ridill and Defending ring and Abj. be 100% now?

Who said there has to be an upside, rather than making these situations non-bottable...

[Catsby]

I think it's a step in the right direction. Hopefully there are modifications to the monsters involved in the system as well. I always remember having a harder time fighting with the KSNMs than the world spawns and it would be awesome to see a increase in challenge as you go through the new system.

[Karbuncle]

This thread go real stupid when i went to bed >____>

I particularly enjoyed one person complaining "WE GET A CHANCE TO POP <NM> AND A CHANCE TO GET D.RING"

As opposed to Getting a CHANCE at NQ behemoth, or a CHANCE at HQ behemoth, for a CHANCE to Claim it, for a CHANCE at Dring?

Oh boy. You guys crack me up.

God help me, I don't care if i get a Brain Tumor for reading all these posts, I just can't help myself.

[Kavik]

I'll admit i didn't read every post, but i agree w/ the OP on the point that i don't think this is going to help anything. I cannot get 6 people together to do a KS 30 let alone 18 or so for KS 99. What i will say is that the 1 KS BS or KC in pool per pt is bullshit, i have a Screeny of 4 KC's in pool in an EXP alliance in abyssea - mis coast, if no one believes me. I took it with my camera because i can't figure out how to get the damn things off my pc. This was before, as you can see, they changed the look of the KC.


Proof positive ^.

[Karbuncle]

I'll admit i didn't read every post, but i agree w/ the OP on the point that i don't think this is going to help anything. I cannot get 6 people together to do a KS 30 let alone 18 or so for KS 99. What i will say is that the 1 KS BS or KC in pool per pt is bullshit, i have a Screeny of 4 KC's in pool in an EXP alliance in abyssea - mis coast, if no one believes me. I took it with my camera because i can't figure out how to get the damn things off my pc. This was before, as you can see, they changed the look of the KC.


Proof positive ^.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or I'm not reading you right on the first part but

KSNM30's/99's haven't needed 6-18 people since ... Ever.

Most KSNM99's could be done with 12 or less back at 75, now adays people have solo'd the Wyrm one. I solo'd KSNM30's on my PLD (lol ODS) back at 80. was possible at 75 IIRC.

But anyway sure as heck don't need 6-18 people, You could probably do most/all of them with ~5/6 or less.

[Leon_Kasai]

While this system could indeed work much better than the old HNM system, I think leaving the entry cost at 99 Kindred Seals is a bit excessive with their current drop rate.

[Mittenz]

I highly doubt people will even sell stuff like blackbelt items anymore unless your willing to pay like 10M-15M the time just would not be worth it unless doing it already and really.... most people wont be doing it already. The inaccessable looks to be getting more inaccessable.

[Catsby]

Looks like it's going to be as inaccessible as anything these days. I see shout groups for bosses all the time so I don't know why this wouldn't make kings easier. Slower? maybe.