new PLD job ability idea, may solve problems

[MercenaryX]

While I will not say that PLD has become useless or anything harsh like that (believe me i love PLD) its come to my attention that they've become too obsolite in comparison to other jobs like ninja and monk when it comes to tanking. So here is a new job ability suggestion, please discuss it for your consideration. I'd love to have some feedback especially from developers/mods of the forum. You could tweak this idea any way you see fit, but this is what i've come up with:

New PLD job ability:

Fortify:

In Game Description: Reduces all forms of damage by 50%, and increases enmity (VERY similar to sentential)

Details: Reduces all forms of damage taken by 50%, and instead of losing enmity with each time you’re hit, you gain it. This move could also generate a sum of hate just by using it on yourself

Target: Self only

Duration: 2 minutes <___________________________

Recast time: 3 minutes <````````````````````````````````````````````` These are the parts that make this so appealing.

Optional additional features: Reduce attack or STR for that same period by a certain amount.

Recommended level to learn at: PLD lv. 80, but anything 75~99 would work



Or if you’d like, for the enmity, another way to consider doing this would be to allow pld to absorb hate from all the party members while its in effect… to some extent. For instance, while the rest of the party is pummeling on the monster, an amount of hate is generated each time they strike the enemy. My suggestion here is to perhaps make it so that half the hate generated from a normal ‘auto attack’ attack be instead contributed to the paladin’s enmity while this job ability is in effect, instead of above mentioned enmity idea. (Also you could tweak this idea to include hate from weapon skills too, it'd be nice to get this to work for full alliance hate though i'm not sure if thats possible)



Another maybe not so popular suggestion to PLD may be to give them a late job ability that mimics the basic points of white mages cure+stone skin job ability. (I forget which one is which lol so I wont say the name). Of course you’d have to call it something else, and weaken it a bit perhaps, and take away its hidden effects (or keep them, I don’t see why not), but giving PLD the ability to bestow stoneskin with cures might be a good first step in trying to give PLD the edge with tanking again so that its easier to rival that of a NIN’s abilities.

[Novax]

It's not that PLD can't tank, they're good at dmg mitigation atm. DDs on the other hand do it just as well, while providing much better DDing. In order for Pld to be viable again, they need to either A) get a major Dmg boost, or B) be in an alliance full of /thf o.o

[Alkalinehoe]

or B) be in an alliance full of /thf o.o

lolwut....


I had to double take.

[MercenaryX]

yeah but this would help tip them over the edge and make them better than jobs that SHOULDNT be that good at doing such a thing.

[Greatguardian]

"Should". I'm sick of hearing that. The present is how jobs Are. The future is how jobs Will Be. There is no "Should" aside from in people's heads.

[Andylynn]

"Should". I'm sick of hearing that. The present is how jobs Are. The future is how jobs Will Be. There is no "Should" aside from in people's heads.

And I'm sick of detractors thinking content should decide how a job should be played/utilized. If there is no 'should,' I hate to wake you up to smell the coffee, but the community has been putting the shoulds based on content since forever, rather than letting people play how they want for years.

'NIN should be a tank'
'lolPUP, its worthless'
'DRK should zerg'

and now its...
'MNK = best tank ever lololol'
'(I need sam/drk/generic DD advice!) level a real job like WAR or MNK'
etc

Jobs should have a predefined identity that they can retain no matter where content focus shifts, and their JAs/traits should reflect those preordained notions in our head. NIN/MNK/eva jobs were not meant to be tanks, WHM wasn't meant to sit around spamming cure VI on a zombie DD while other healers wish they could party, WAR/NIN and NIN/WAR weren't meant to be the only two jobs capable of doing something for your party. A job with damage mitigation and emnity skills SHOULD be tanking, and not sitting on the sidelines like a pariah, wishing it could do something. A DD job shouldn't sit on a bench watching some of the pisspoor DDs of days yonder surpass their numbers with weapons with a 1/3 of their dmg. (I'm talking about you DNC, NIN and THF. SAM and DRK should > you in #'s not vice versa.)

Anyone should be free to play their job how their JAs/traits originally intended, not be used as a bench warmer, or abused bandwagon, just because the community or content says so.

[Karbuncle]

Reducing Damage and enmity aren't the problems.

The problems are other jobs can generate enmity, reduce damage, and deal more damage than PLD. Basically as the game stands right now (not saying at 95/99 it wont change), DD tanks can survive anything a PLD can without being in danger, and kill the mob quicker.

theres less need for the "Safety net" PLD gave us. In the future this might change, but the problem has never been PLD can't reduce damage, or PLD can't keep hate, Its that other DD-tanks can do all that, some better than PLD, and Still kill the mob quicker.

This job ability would be interesting, But imposing a nerf to Attack for more DEF is everything thats wrong with PLD.

Which is too much DEF, not enough Attack.

[Miera]

Which is too much DEF, not enough Attack.

lol DRK and PLD are complete opposite of each other when you look at that.

But yeah, all I hear about PPLD bashing is "I don't want to sit there and watch a PLD beat a mob down for two hours blah blah blah" its kind of sad but maybe they can give some attack boosts to PLD to make them worth while.

[rog]

This would not even sort of fix any of pld's problems.

[blowfin]

"Should". I'm sick of hearing that. The present is how jobs Are. The future is how jobs Will Be. There is no "Should" aside from in people's heads.

But, but... THF, DRK and DNC NEED boosts....