Is it time to do away with a "permanent" record?

[Alhanelem]

Yeah, it's just the automatic assumption that I find absurd.

If you think it's absurd you've never done moderation for a game studio.

From hacking a game to peices to spouting antisemetic tripe to every player they encounter- bans are rarely made in error. Yet literally everyone feigns innocence when caught.

As I said before, I've gotten chat restricted in league, I've been banned from the FFXIV forums. Does that make me a terrible person? No, but it does mean I made mistakes, mistakes that I learned from.

I generally don't believe in permanent bans- The majority of people who get punished don't offend again in computer game land and so its not normally necessary anyway. But the rules need to exist as do the punishments.

[GlobalVariable]

If you think it's absurd you've never done moderation for a game studio.

Actually I've moderated for a publishers game forums and have been doing in game (not this game, obviously) moderation for 6 years now. I am not saying people don't do things and then lie about it, I am saying just being punished is not in itself evidence that you "deserved" the exact punishment you got. As evidenced by this thread what punishment fits a "crime" is very debatable. Sometime the rules I have to enforce are more or less harsh than I, or the player, or others privy to the details, would agree with. I do have some degree of room for judgement calls on some of the rules, and one thing in particular I will drop the hammer on is dishonesty about what actually happened. I'm sure you can relate to what I am saying there.

[Zehira]

I've been banned from the FFXIV forums. Does that make me a terrible person? No, but it does mean I made mistakes, mistakes that I learned from.

Yeah, I haven't forgotten about that. You have challenged thousands of people from the FFXIV forums during beta and after that. I am banned from there too. I believe politics are what pushed us to accept them.

Since I can't access to the FFXIV forums, I think it's not fair for people who are still living in Vana'diel still can't access to this forums.

[Alhanelem]

Actually I've moderated for a publishers game forums and have been doing in game (not this game, obviously) moderation for 6 years now. I am not saying people don't do things and then lie about it, I am saying just being punished is not in itself evidence that you "deserved" the exact punishment you got.

I'm not claiming that it is. What I am claiming is that I know from actual cases that more often than not, people who whine about bans legitimately earned them.

I know I earned mine. I said one word that I shouldn't have said, not really rtealizing at the time how it would be taken, and I got what I deserved.

[GlobalVariable]

I'm not claiming that it is. What I am claiming is that I know from actual cases that more often than not, people who whine about bans legitimately earned them.

If you don't argue with a position I'm not taking I won't argue with a position you aren't taking, deal?

[Alhanelem]

If you don't argue with a position I'm not taking I won't argue with a position you aren't taking, deal?

Your post adds nothing to the discussion. Make an actual argument and we'll talk.

I'm only telling you from personal experience handling bans that ban appeals rarely succeed because their bans were well earned. Doesn't mean there aren't mistakes, we're all human, but mistakes are rare. I don't endorse eprmanent bans but a punishment has to have some kind of impact or it just isn't going to be effective.

[Zehira]

I know I earned mine. I said one word that I shouldn't have said, not really rtealizing at the time how it would be taken, and I got what I deserved.

Gone but never forgotten.

[GlobalVariable]

Edit: never mind, I do not believe you are responding in good faith. You've been insulting. I'm done with you.

[Alhanelem]

Edit: never mind, I do not believe you are responding in good faith. You've been insulting. I'm done with you.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I am responding 100% in good faith. You just happen to disagree with my opinion. That's fine, but to imply malice on my part is absolutely wrong and disingenuous.