November 2019 FINAL FANTASY XI Digest

[Beastorizer]

The comment leaves out an important reason why it felt very strong. Monsters have higher native stats than players. It was easier to cap a jug pets acc/atk than a player on content in 2015.

This is why I am an advocate of boosting BST through pets; it is easier to do.

Also, I was referring to the Master rank job gifts, which reduce 1hr abilities by 15 minutes. I meant the 15 min reduction, not 15 mins.

As for the percentages, they are correct. I am not talking about a standard CP party situation; I am referring to a instance where BST will be under Unleashed. I am not talking about spreadsheets which illustrates pet dmg; I am referring to BST under Unleash with JP boosts, which is a special situation. Tegmina Buffet can be fired off like every 5 seconds or so, for an entire minute.

Besieged, old content, I get it.....Regardless, I cleared an entire episode by myself pretty much with that grasshopper. Looked around to see SMN, WARs, MNKs, DRKs not doing as much dmg as my pet was, to the same dated mobs while under unleashed. I was naked, save the Relic Gloves & a 119 axe, because I was harvesting prior to the besieged.

My Fantod > Backheel almost broke 100K, about 20-ish K off maybe? Can't remember.....

In a normal situation, I am sure those DD would have mopped the floor with my pet. This is where spreadsheets would come in handy. Non-Unleash situations are more common than Unleashed situations.

I am not one of those guys who cater to the BST community's current popular opinion, because it is the popular thing to do. Or, that it gets you likes/votes. Nor I am going to conform to the devs opinion when it is contradicting. I am going to be objective & call it like it is.

BST under Unleash with those insane percentage boost may be what the devs are referring to. The contradicting part, other jobs can do the same...BST will not always be under Unleashed. If they are not referring to an Unleashed BST, that makes their point even worst.....

We are on the same page in terms of the devs comments being contradicting, this is what matters.

[Seish]

@^ Finally someone said it.

As far as the suggestions are concerned; some have suggested and that's what the Devs need to respond to. Then there are those that are insisting that BST was a backline job and later got angry at the reply SE gave showing why they were wrong and threw their gear and said they quit. That kind of behavior, and those that just complain without a solution--though understandable--doesn't solve anything. It's coming up with a solution through suggesting how to fix the problem that will remedy the issue at hand.

To those that are suggesting, please keep it up. It's the only way to get some change you want.

[Gwydion]

@^ Finally someone said it.

As far as the suggestions are concerned; some have suggested and that's what the Devs need to respond to. Then there are those that are insisting that BST was a backline job and later got angry at the reply SE gave showing why they were wrong and threw their gear and said they quit. That kind of behavior, and those that just complain without a solution--though understandable--doesn't solve anything. It's coming up with a solution through suggesting how to fix the problem that will remedy the issue at hand.

To those that are suggesting, please keep it up. It's the only way to get some change you want.

I have a lengthy post history of saying what Beastorizer said. See my post on page 8.

Regardless, we're all on the same page. SE has done little to improve beastmaster. I don't think equipment or food counts as the director stated in his reply either.

I hope they do something tangible for Beastmaster.

[Seish]

We are. And I am glad we are all on the same page. Now we came with suggestions and all we can do is wait. If more ideas come feel free to post. But to those that already came with them, all I have to say to the @Devs, please take the time to look over the suggestions and let us know what you think.

[Rwolf]

Gwydion, what you did and said has my admiration and respect. I think it's more impactful and the 22 likes shows the support it has from the community. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise that you haven't contributed simply because they don't agree with your decision to drop Aymur.

[Seish]

I think I did the moment I cited what SE said in BOLD. If you have a problem with it. Take it with them but they are very clear. They want to bring risk to a job that doesn't front line when things get bad. And they want to end BST burns.

He can cite what he wants, but the moment he said they distince themselves form the mobs because things get rough, that is exactally why SE did what they did. I maintain that they didn't do it right. But their reasoning with what he said is clear.

[Alhanelem]

I think I did the moment I cited what SE said in BOLD. If you have a problem with it. Take it with them but they are very clear. They want to bring risk to a job that doesn't front line when things get bad. And they want to end BST burns.

Risk is fine if there's a reward for it. The problem is there isn't much to gain from it. BST master DPS is pretty low, probably not that much better than I do as a relic summoner, because they have basically no combat traits beyond their support job. To use their pet abilities efficiently requires them to lose TP and thus lose potential weapon skills, constraining their DPS potential. If BST is to be a risky job, then it needs to have better damage output than other jobs with better survivability skills. And as it stands, it really doesn't. I don't know a single person who's ever sought a BST for their party, citing their superior DPS.

This is all aside from the fact that even people who already were meleeing as BST are inconvenienced (to put it mildly) by the changes that were made. If they wanted to eliminate pet kiting they could have done so without causing a large amount of frustration for people that were already doing it the way SE intended. And it only went so far in discouraging pet kiting / playing from a distance. As was said by others, you could still play the old way with relative safety with the right sub job, running in to do commands and running back out. They didn't really even eliminate the style of play they were trying to stop- they just made it a lot more inconvenient.

[Seish]

And I agree with you in the way they handled it. They did voice their concerns I felt and they answered it well. And if you change subs to lets say NIN, you are nerfing your dmg and with that alone, they obtained what they wanted. How many mobs now have DOT and AOE spells that kind of make it harder to do this? What you're gonna try to sit there and cast to be interrupted when you're getting hit and possibly die? That's the risk they want. But let's be real, we both argued with a specific player how BSTS did front line and it was viable. The point I am making is that they are right in their reasoning, but wrong in implementation. We are all on the same boat.

EDIT: Let us not forget BST burns were also a thing and that they were also looking at stopping this due to what a full party--or in some cases alliances--could do with no risk involved.

[Alhanelem]

I remember a BST "burn" of Tiamat or w/e the Wyrm in attowha chasm is. It took them like 5 times longer than any normal group would have done.