A Ninja without Throwing...

[Akujima]

So, You think Nerfing Dual Wield and NIN as a job is an acceptable Solution to the game just so you RP like a Real ninja and Toss shurikens?

Whats wrong with RP'ing in an RPG? Still waiting for a valid answer to that.
And you seem to think I'm saying to nerf dual wield sooo bad that it's pointless to melee anymore. Which is not my intention at all.

Also, In order to make "backing off" = "using Shuriken", You'd also have to adjust the Sweet spot of Throwing Items, Which happen to be Melee Range. meaning if you're backing off Your Shuriken Damage will go to Sh*t Quick :|

I know this, thats why I'm voting for an improvement to the throwing system.

And then again the final extremist answer in saying that RNG is going to be obsolete if NIN gets ranged attacks. It's just another example of favoritism to who can do the biggest, better, fastest amount of damage.

...Smash that mob, SMASH that mob dead! YEA! Woooooowooooo. Dude did you see that?! I parse'd that $#!%, I got 10,500 and that gimp warrior only got 9200 yo!... yo dog this $#% is tight. All I had to do was stand in 1 spot, but that warrior was struggling yo!....

Totally stripping the RP out of RPG, and just pushing FFXI on a downward slope into some sort of competitive style game, that just resembles modern first person shooters.

Done.

[Karbuncle]

Okay, I'm trying my best to explain to you that the idea of making Throwing Viable just isn't sensible inside FFXI. also did you just happen to overlook the part where i said "its not that people wouldn't like throwing on NIN, Its just that making it useful would require unrealistic buffs"

Its just not possible without Nerfing, or buffing Throwing to the point it would outshine RNG (due to NINs naturally high DPS, the amount of DMG/Delay required on a shuriken would have to outweigh the Damage lost during the throwing animaiton and delay after throwing before an attack round can take place)

Whats wrong with RP'ing in an RPG? Still waiting for a valid answer to that.
And you seem to think I'm saying to nerf dual wield sooo bad that it's pointless to melee anymore. Which is not my intention at all.

There is nothing wrong with RP'ing in an RPG, that isn't a problem, Its the fact not everyone wants to RP, You're idea would be "Nerf Ninja back to 2005 so i can RP with my Shuriken" (Speaking on your "We should nerf Dual wield" bit on your second post) which is not the solution. Its never a solution to NERF an aspect of a job just to enjoy the other. Nothing is stopping you from stocking up on shuriken and tossing them, You seem to not give a damn about what people think when it comes to different opinions than yours, so why care if they call you gimp for throwing shuriken?

I know this, thats why I'm voting for an improvement to the throwing system.

And then again the final extremist answer in saying that RNG is going to be obsolete if NIN gets ranged attacks. It's just another example of favoritism to who can do the biggest, better, fastest amount of damage.

And the Denial-ist answer is "I'm right its possible i just don't know how yet! So i'll continue to belittle anyone who objects my opinion, While offering no solutions outside nerfing!"

I'm sorry if you can't seem to understand the only way to make throwing good for NIN would be to buff it to the point it where it would not ruin the DPS of a NIN at melee range, to take it out and throw it. and the required DMG/delay/etc of that would be more powerful than what RNG has. Making RNG fall behind NIN in terms of ranged Damage wouldnt be a good idea either though, neither is Nerfing NIN.

...Smash that mob, SMASH that mob dead! YEA! Woooooowooooo. Dude did you see that?! I parse'd that $#!%, I got 10,500 and that gimp warrior only got 9200 yo!... yo dog this $#% is tight. All I had to do was stand in 1 spot, but that warrior was struggling yo!....

Unfortunately thats how this game is designed.

would you rather be flipping off the Mobs back throwing shurikens 40 feet in the air while fighting off other Elite Ninjas with your 18-wielded Katanas at the speed of light? maybe doing some backflips with Sephiroth?

Totally stripping the RP out of RPG, and just pushing FFXI on a downward slope into some sort of competitive style game, that just resembles modern first person shooters.

Done.

Again, just because it doesn't have every played out JRPG Cliche mashed into it, Doesn't mean its not an RPG. it still has the core elements of an RPG, just not the ones you want.

Really, It would be nice if NIN could get a great throwing weapon, and it could be useful and available. But I don't see it happening without literally a complete overhaul of the job, or throwing damage. And if they don't have enough time to Shorted Chat log redundancies, how would they have the time for this?

Really, Its not that i hate the idea, Its just i don't see it ever realistically happening.

[Akujima]

Okay...

Something, Something, Something...

Done.

So that means if a COR did more ranged dmg than a RNG, you would invite only COR's then? So that means if a WAR did more dmg than a DRK, you would invite only WAR's then? I'm tired of these replies where its just an endless struggle of opinionated posts, battling it out to see who's next idea makes it into the game.

Go ahead and bypass everything about the RP element of the Ninja Job, and just disregard any of the old timers, who've realized that the FF series is losing its integrity in the never-ending attempt, to appeal to the mass hysteria of casual gamers. "Make everything easier!" Yea, that's the solution right?

But, wait. What about hard earned, thoughtful "chess-like" in depth battle tactics, where we can feel a sense of accomplishment and teamwork at the end of all our fun adventures?

No, no, no! That's not easy enough!

Rather let's just continue the progression of WS Dmg+ merits for NIN, Katana skill A+ and Dual Wield+25, so that our fellow super-hero's can swing their arms so fast they look like a hummingbird on cocaine.

BOOM! Yea man, I freaken did 5000 with a Blade: Hi !!! Damn I feel special and unique now, and everyone else envies me.

Anyways, you get the picture. I simply offer an idea to improve upon an RP element, rather than push it aside, just so that all these number crunchers can continue to measure the size of each others Johnsons.

Anyways, whatever SE does is ultimately up to them.

[Dooom]

***, I hit "like" instead of "reply with quote".

It's just another example of favoritism to who can do the biggest, better, fastest amount of damage.

...Smash that mob, SMASH that mob dead! YEA! Woooooowooooo. Dude did you see that?! I parse'd that $#!%, I got 10,500 and that gimp warrior only got 9200 yo!... yo dog this $#% is tight. All I had to do was stand in 1 spot, but that warrior was struggling yo!....

You're making fun of people who act like damage is everything, yet at the same time asking for an increase in the damage of the way you want to play, and a nerf for people who want to play in another way. Doesn't this strike you as hypocritical at all?

Hint: if you answered "no", you're wrong.

If you want to role-play, fine. Go throw your shuriken. Just don't expect everyone else to want to do the same, or ask that people not doing so be nerfed.

[Akujima]

You're making fun of people who act like damage is everything, yet at the same time asking for an increase in the damage of the way you want to play, and a nerf for people who want to play in another way. Doesn't this strike you as hypocritical at all?

Hint: if you answered "no", you're wrong.

Actually I was opting for an increase in RP element.

But it seems my strong opinion offends people, so I'm stopping for now.

[Karbuncle]

Actually I was opting for an increase in RP element.

But it seems my strong opinion offends people, so I'm stopping for now.

Its really not that its offended, Its just that you gave the feeling of "nerf it so i can shuriken". If that wasn't your intent you just need to explain it better.

I did mention I wouldn't hate the idea of Using Shuriken, When i was leveling NIN i always wanted too but was too poor. I only mean to portray that the time that it seems unlikely that, If SE cant even fix Text-Menus to not be so drawn-out, They'd ever make a fix like this :|

Plus i feel once SE was like "We cant do Throwing WS" they gave up on NIN >.>

Edit: Gave up on NIN's "Throwing".