A Ninja without Throwing...

[wish12oz]

Wish12oz, GG and other like minded people never gave a crap about NIN before it got a major boost in DMG capabilities. The simple fact is that elitists jump ship to the next bandwagon job the moment it becomes available. The only reason they're in here, is because they don't want NIN to be changed, effectively forcing them to abandon ship and cling to another job that is more "uber".

I started leveling ninja in 2004, and was 75 in 2005, how about you?

But you're right, the moment ninja became a subpar useless POS job, I couldn't play it anymore because it was a waste of space and that goes against what I consider fun in this game. So in an effort to prevent it from becoming junk again, I will post about how terrible every idea people propose here that is bad so that at least if SE implements one of them, I will know I at least have put in effort to keep my favorite job from becoming crap again.

The last thing I want is an update like we got with yonin and innin. 2 abilities that at the time were so completely useless they made me scream with rage. Ininn is still completely useless too, and yonin is only good inside abyssea because the -acc doesnt hurt you. But the real problem was that SE thought they fixed ninja and made it awasome when they added these abilities. We DO NOT need a repeat of this, with SE adding some BS new throwing JA and shiurikens and thinking ninja is suddenly better then it use to be again. But theres a very small minority of players who just don't get this, probably because you weren't even around when ninja was good, and didn't have to sit and suffer through the years it was terrible.

Now go away with your tired rhetoric that doesn't apply to the discussion, you've contributed nothing worthwhile to this or any other discussion involving the job.

[Karbuncle]

Both sides hold their beliefs dear, as you do. Is it so wrong to want a job not to be nerfed so you can continue to enjoy it?

Criticizing one side of the argument because their beliefs are different, accusing them of bandwagon'ing (I'm pretty sure 12oz has been a NIN for a long while) Is far worse than them sticking up for what they believe and their math.

And an "Elitist" doesn't job to one job to the other when it comes into light. "Elitists" I consider a compliment, because it perfectly describes someone who has geared and played their job to their best ability.

Why people think its an insult is beyond me.

[Greatguardian]

Because I totally haven't had NIN75 for yeeeeears. Anyone who plays their job the most effective way in a group setting where performance impacts other people must be a bandwagontard. That makes so much sense.

Your threads are gigantic because you are unbelievably dense and never actually read what anyone else writes, replying with buzzword banter, youtube links, and +1's to any posts longer than 10 words that agree with you, even if you didn't read or understand those either.

Stay consistent for once and stick to your crappy PvP thread.

[Akujima]

Your threads are gigantic because you are unbelievably dense and never actually read what anyone else writes, replying with buzzword banter, youtube links, and +1's to any posts longer than 10 words that agree with you, even if you didn't read or understand those either.

Stay consistent for once and stick to your crappy PvP thread.

I'm still waiting for you to make a thread that get's any thumbs up. Let alone have the guts to make one.

[Khajit]

I'm still waiting for you to make a thread that get's any thumbs up. Let alone have the guts to make one.

You've apparently not noticed that it's the people AGAINST you that are getting all the thumbs up in the thread.

[Karbuncle]

Making a Useless thread has nothing to do with the content of a persons posts or the legitimacy of their argument.

[Bulrogg]

I'd also like to see a really huge returnable shuriken for NIN only with a nice mix of eva+ and attk/crit+ stats.

[Rocl]

I have capped Sange are you telling me this is a bad thing?

[Bulrogg]

I had Sange capped back when the level cap was 75. But I removed it to merit other things. I like Sange and found it useful at times but in the realm of kill first ask questions later Abyssea the lack of new affordable shurikens puts throwing in the back seat for most events. Moving past abyssea (90+) I think Sange and Throwing can be adjusted/updated to make it useful again. It would also be nice if the usage of Sange would calculate Crits into the damage output.