Alliance content isn't fun

[Kishr]

When people figure out the best way to do it, ammount of people needed will become less.
I'm feeling your dissatisfied with nearly every concept the developers made for this game.
Why are you still playing it?
Go find a corner of vanadiel your comfortable with and enjoy it there.
I personally don't have issues with much of the game outside insane Alex grind and the last 3 nm grinds for emp.
Outside that I like the current system and flow the game is in and has became.
If your not happy, there loads of other FF's or other rpg or just loads of games in general to play instead of a game you keep to feel the need to complain about.

[Sirmarki]

Another problem on the subject of alliances is the two tier server problem.

We have people on servers here who would struggle to probably even put a 6 man party together, let alone 18 on their server.

Then we have Asura which won't have so much of a problem with alliance creation.

[Justuas]

Another problem on the subject of alliances is the two tier server problem.

We have people on servers here who would struggle to probably even put a 6 man party together, let alone 18 on their server.

Then we have Asura which won't have so much of a problem with alliance creation.

The op is in Bahamut. I wonder if they can even get enough people for alliance.

[Zehira]

The op is in Bahamut. I wonder if they can even get enough people for alliance.

Most active during Japanese prime time and most of them only speak Japanese. I was on Bahamut for years.

[Afania]

yeah need epeo when it's worse than aettir against every NM in the game besides like 3

Do you seriously own the weapon, or do you just listen to a few forum people's opinion who doesn't own epeo?

I know multiple epeo owners who also own Aettir, not one single of them choose aettir over epeo for 95% of tanking situations.

Another problem on the subject of alliances is the two tier server problem.

We have people on servers here who would struggle to probably even put a 6 man party together, let alone 18 on their server.

Then we have Asura which won't have so much of a problem with alliance creation.

The op is in Bahamut. I wonder if they can even get enough people for alliance.

That's a valid point Sirmarki.

And Asura fanboys strikes again, they seem to lurk on every forum, every discussion, take every chances to yell and scream "can't find groups on small servers" when it's not anywhere close to the truth.

The op is in Bahamut. I wonder if they can even get enough people for alliance.

Just FYI, Bahamut got the world first on wave 3 boss clears, with an alliance of 18 people. Despite 2 people are alts they actually had the resources to create 18 people with real human player. Just that being a social/endgame hybrid LS some new/returning player without appropriate gear had to sit out for ilv 149 content progression.

So yes, it's entirely possible to create a full alliance, even if you're not on Asura.

AFAIK, the OP is in a ls with capped member as well, and I offered several opportunity to get them into existing big endgame groups. Just that OP prefers lowman content instead of alliances. If you think OP's complaint about alliance content is because they are on a small server and unable to find people, you are very, very wrong. It's 100% their personal preference and their choice, which is fine. Although I personally don't think lowman content is good for the community and it's nice to have some variety.

[Sirmarki]

And Asura fanboys strikes again, they seem to lurk on every forum, every discussion, take every chances to yell and scream "can't find groups on small servers" when it's not anywhere close to the truth.

I'm originally from Fenrir. There were 250~300 people on at my time, and that was about two years ago. A lot of people have left Fenrir since then, and moved to Asura.

30% of which were more than likely mules and alts. So I'd estimate 175 as actual players.
Discount the people (a) not interested in it (b) have their own static groups and you realise that alliances are hard to create. This is evident by looking at the /yells on those servers.

Asura last time I was on had 2300~ players online in my timezone. The maths says it all really? More people = greater number pool of people to pick from.

[Afania]

I'm originally from Fenrir. There were 250~300 people on at my time, and that was about two years ago. A lot of people have left Fenrir since then, and moved to Asura.

30% of which were more than likely mules and alts. So I'd estimate 175 as actual players.
Discount the people (a) not interested in it (b) have their own static groups and you realise that alliances are hard to create. This is evident by looking at the /yells on those servers.

Asura last time I was on had 2300~ players online in my timezone. The maths says it all really? More people = greater number pool of people to pick from.

If every alliance needs 500 people instead of just 18, what you said would be true.

If creating an endgame alliance is just the matter of server total number/18, what you said would be true as well.

If creating an alliance for ilv 149 is just the matter of logging on, /yell dynamis wave 3 team up? do you need it? 1/18 need REMA PLD GEO BRD DD, then enter + clear after it fills up, what you said would be true.

If creating an alliance for ilv 149 content is the same as creating an alliance for 119 content, then what you said would be true too.

If all the 2300 people on Asura aren't mostly casual and revolving door players that come back for story then quit before they are really ready for endgame then what you said would be true too.

But we all know that 2300 people server doesn't suddenly generate 127.7 alliance for ilv 149 content, the hardest content in game doesn't work that way, not anywhere close.

Because when it comes to hardest endgame in game, you don't just log on, "pick" people from this massive pool of player from 2300 people, filter them out by shouting for REMA, then copy a strategy posted on the forum and magically get win. It just doesn't work that way.

Just FYI, our server has 400 people, we made 18/18 alliance a day after wave3 was out, and have been 18/18 nearly every event before that. If creating a 18/18 alliance is just the matter of log on to a 2300 people server and pick people from this big pool, how come we don't see at least a dozen groups on Asura doing the same and clearing wave3 yet? Considering Asura has far more talented and well geared player than our dirt road servers, and much higher avg player quality, it should be easy, no?

Here is how endgame group really works for high end content. People don't actually log on, and go "hey let's do dynamis wave 3, I'll go shout for GEO BRD DD now, 2300 people on it must be easy". Instead, people work on building a community first. They do endgame events as a group multiple days per week, every week, for years, to build enough trust and connection between members. And that attracts more qualified players wanting to join. So when content like wave 3 comes, there are more than enough manpower to create an alliance content of 18/18 immediately.

It doesn't matter if your server has 300 people, or 3000 people. When it comes to the hardest endgame the difficulty of creating an alliance is the same. A community of player don't suddenly form out of nowhere. It requires consistently doing endgame as a group together for very long time, and consistently building the connection and trust with each members.

From that perspective, a server with 2300 people isn't necessary easier than a server of 300 people. Otherwise we'd see more than one Asura groups doing wave 3 with 18/18 instead of trying to recruit for more on AH.com like now.

I'm from a 400 people server, and like I said, we built 18/18 alliance a day after wave 3 is out, and has been 18/18 since forever. It takes 30 min to create an alliance of 18/18 that's capable of getting wave 3 win. I have several Asura friends in endgame community, none of them has the ability to build 18/18 winning alliance for ilv 149 wave 3 then get win, at least not atm. When it comes to the hardest endgame it simply doesn't work in a way that bigger server number = easier to fill up alliances. 300 people and 2300 people is exactly the same when it comes to difficulty to build high lv endgame alliance. Whoever works the hardest to build a stable community will have the easiest time building a successful 18/18 alliance.

So yeah, my answer to this question is the same:

The op is in Bahamut. I wonder if they can even get enough people for alliance.

Yes they can. And they done it faster than Asura, thank you for your concern but please fanboy the server elsewhere.

[Shiyo]

The JP's are already "confused" about requiring wave3 as translated here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...July-6-July-12

By "confused" i'm sure they meant "outraged", and they're going to add ways outside of garbage alliance content to allow you to upgrade your RMEA's.

Yay!

[Nyarlko]

The JP's are already "confused" about requiring wave3 as translated here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...July-6-July-12

By "confused" i'm sure they meant "outraged", and they're going to add ways outside of garbage alliance content to allow you to upgrade your RMEA's.

Yay!

The possibility of add'l routes for earning RP for the incoming DREAM augments was included in what they said during FP40 when they talked about Wave3. JPs were confused because the devs did not really want to nail anything down yet as it was still in the planning stage, and admitted that they probably said more than they should have yet, all of which adds up to confusion in the ranks. They had to expand on what was said a bit, in the summary. There was also something about Fujito saying some stuff on his personal Twitter account accidentally that seemed to ruffle a lot of feathers, though I've not run across the details of what was said, but he did write a post apologizing for it on JPside of these forums already.

It wasn't so much outrage, as it was simple confusion since we were given only a small part of the details basically.

The summary just confirms that they've decided that they are going to add the add'l routes rather than maybe add them.

[Kishr]

That's a valid point Sirmarki.