THF and DNC

[RaenRyong]

Yeah, that's basically my end argument. I want people to want THF and DNC for their own merits, not just a placebo TH etc.

[Juri_Licious]

I agree, DNC shouldn't be as good as it is. THF should eclipse it in damage output and speed.

[Byrth]

TH isn't a placebo though. It's one of the most useful Job Traits in the game in terms of improving efficiency. I'm at a loss to find it at the moment (thanks, BG search engine) but there was a thread a while back where people did legit testing on Treasure Hunter. It came back with TH1 and TH2 essentially being re-rolls in the event of a no-drop case, or a straight doubling of drop rate. I would have to find the original thread to remember the exact math.

It is unclear whether Rare drops are affected, but I suspect that they are.

[RaenRyong]

Yeah, you know what I mean beyond my horrible cynicism though

I just know when next update notes come out, they'll look like this:

WAR - huge damage boost!
MNK - huge damage boost!
SAM - huge damage boost!
DRK - nerf lul
THF - new 20 minute recast ability sharing timers with steal/despoil which will very rarely land a 1% potency paralysis on the mob.
BST - Dual Wield IV

[Eeek]

Yeah, you know what I mean beyond my horrible cynicism though

I just know when next update notes come out, they'll look like this:

WAR - huge damage boost!
MNK - huge damage boost!
SAM - huge damage boost!
DRK - nerf lul
THF - new 20 minute recast ability sharing timers with steal/despoil which will very rarely land a 1% potency paralysis on the mob.
BST - Dual Wield IV

Quoted to emphasize the sad, sad truth.

Oh, but you forgot to add that DNC will get a Triple Attack Job Trait and SCH will receive three new tiers of Critical Hit Rate Bonus.

[Olor]

I do have to say that THF should get dual wield MUCH MUCH earlier than it does...

[Byrth]

So basically you want the job to be more fun to play. THF is one of the busiest jobs in the game. To play the job to max capacity you're constantly moving, watching JA timers, making split second decisions whether to hold TP or blow it, reacting quickly enough to Accomplice overzealous BLMs, etc. You don't feel that the effort you put in is rewarded, because all that running around and moving does less damage than a Dancer that plays their job like a Monk (Saber Dance, Haste Samba, engage and WS when they hit 100TP) or, for that matter, a Monk (engage, WS at 100TP, use Impetus when it's up).

Somewhat broken idea, but really not that unreasonable given the shit WSs SE gives THF:
What if Sneak and Trick Attack were job traits that apply to any WS that fulfills the appropriate conditions, rather than job abilities? If you WS from behind someone, you transfer the enmity from your WS to them and the first hit auto-crits with the AGI bonus. If you WS from behind the monster, the first hit auto-crits and get the DEX bonus. You want Thieves and parties to legitimately care about their positioning? You do that and see what happens.

I'd love to see that change made, but I'd like Rudra's to get a fTP boost to at least 3.8 and the TP modifier to change to "chance to crit" at the same time though.

God, I hate that translators probably have trouble figuring out what the heck I'm talking about when I make suggestions about game mechanics that the playerbase has probably named something different than the developers like this. You know what, Mr. translator? If you're interested, PM me on BG. You'll be able to find me.

[Rambus]

I do have to say that THF should get dual wield MUCH MUCH earlier than it does...

never understood why dnc got so meny and thf is outclassed off a sub.

should be no reason to give a trait that is outclass or same as sub.

game is not 75 anymore.

So basically you want the job to be more fun to play. THF is one of the busiest jobs in the game. To play the job to max capacity you're constantly moving, watching JA timers, making split second decisions whether to hold TP or blow it, reacting quickly enough to Accomplice overzealous BLMs, etc. You don't feel that the effort you put in is rewarded, because all that running around and moving does less damage than a Dancer that plays their job like a Monk (Saber Dance, Haste Samba, engage and WS when they hit 100TP) or, for that matter, a Monk (engage, WS at 100TP, use Impetus when it's up).

SE might see it as OP but i do like the idea. no one subs thf anymore anyway.

one thing to note though those traits need to be early like the same as SA and TA now but thf main only. I like to see it done just to test it, if it is OP change it again ( like the mistake SE did on the 2H stuff at first)

[RaenRyong]

Stop buffing WAR and MNK and buff THF and DNC!

(not a blatant bump, honest)

[Karbuncle]

I've come to accept SE just doesn't want THF to be a good DD. They probably think that TH update that increases potency randomly on swings will be enough to warrant THF Melee. (inside abyssea its not a big deal, but when we move out... it won't be enough :X)

I hate TH as a whole, Its one big Placeblol. Drops in this game are too random for it to matter. Dumb luck is Dumb Luck TH just makes you feel like you're trying harder. Watch some SAM run up and get a drop 1/1 while you're killing it the 8th time With TH9 with no drop. /nerdrage

"oh you have TH! you're always wanted! BLAHBLAHBLAHHURP I dont even have THF leveled so i have no idea how useless and placebo TH is DERP DERP but i'll still act like its the best ability in the game HERP HERP"

Edit: Disclaimer: No I'm not being Serious. Yes I know TH Works.

Anyway, Lol, The Tags are kinda hilarious atm, I know why.

MORE ANYWAY.

A Good buff to THF would simply be giving us Dual Wield III, I know its not the same as DNC, but it opens us up to new sub jobs without nerfing our DPS. Good Chance is we will see DW3 by 99, With out current trend, Perhaps even DW4, IDK.

Stop giving us Abilities that are worthless(99% of the time) as a whole (Mug, Steal, Despoil, Hide, flee), and abilities that Are worthless Solo(Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, Coll/Acompl, Conspirator).

Give us more Solo friendly Abilities/Traits. a "Critical Hit Rate Bonus" Job Trait Wouldn't be Awful, on top of our Critical hit Damage trait. Something like

lv.15 Critical Hit Rate Bonus
Increases Critical Hit Rate 4%

Every 20 Levels we get a new Tier up to level 95. Total 5 Traits = 20% Increases Critical hit Rate. There we go, Increase to our DPS rather we solo or Duo, or Alliance.

Thats a Boost I'd be happy with, Beyond that, I really don't know what else to suggest. THF is a great job, right now, in Abyssea, Outside of Abyssea we'll be as "good" as we were @ 75... "hit the mob and go away"