ive never seen suck a butthurt DRK in my life wow, for starters apocs WS was never a strong one to start with didn't have insane numbers on it at all. it changed the way DRK was played, the bonus of it to me is insane i still think outside abbys it will be a strong weapon way stronger then most emps (outside abbys) i dont see why u cry so much and threaten to leave if ur so hurt by it then why havent u left yet? yes i do understand the insane amount of time and effort that goes in to a relic hell its still a goal of mine to get a apoc cause ive wanted one since they first came out but never had the time or gils to invest into a relic. do i find it fair that emps over power relics well ya, do u really think there gonna make a new form of a relic and make it weak? seriously now what u own is a true respectable piece in my eyes but its 2011 dude grow up and realise that better stuff is always gonna come. suprised u aint crying about AF3 and other gears pwning out King gear and salvage gear either. they game is taking a really good turn for the casual player i like what SEs doing.