FIX Relic Weapons

[Arcalimo]

no, you are the ones that don't get it, the game advanced and you gotta accept it.
And you know whats the funny part of it?
That a big portion of relic holders, like [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]
Now SE slaped em in the face and a lot of those "noobs" can slap a relic holder in the face with just a woe +1 weapon and make you cry and complain.
Looks like the karma came around
And yes, its clear that they should enhance them(woe shouldnt beat them) but no way to make them the best weapons in game again, the new content should be better than the old content as is normal, or were you wearing af1 at 75 because it was the best at 60?
Finally SE noticed that wasn't fair for the mayority of player to been months working for someone and don't get something in exchange, now in that time you can get the best weapon in game for everyone that was helping.
Maybe they made it too easy(mnk+whm > all), but the idea of a group of 4-6 players being able to clear all the stuff isn't bad at all.
The times of some e-peen players taking advantage of others to get they shit is over, now you can just gather with your close friends and get your shit w/o having to deal with some morons, and that is what should have been done long ago.
Stop complaining about your old outdated gear and weapons, they are going to be easier to get after the update, even then, they are easy to get now that 3 ppl can overkill a dynanis, and dont tell me that kill 5000 easy prey mobs is harder and less time consuming than kill 75 apademak for example, because you can solo the 5000 mobs w/o competition and you need help for apademak, plus its overcamped. So yeah Empyrean > Relic
You get it now? this is a MMO, and MMOs change over time, if you dont like you know where the door its, but i really doubt that anyone that had enought adiction to work for a relic leaves the game instead of getting a empyrean, so don't put false words of people in your mouth, as no one is gonna quit for this.

[Cream_Soda]

So many delicious tears gathered in one spot.

[Michaeluk]

no, you are the ones that don't get it, the game advanced and you gotta accept it.
And you know whats the funny part of it?
That a big portion of relic holders, like Michaeluk, are just e-peens that thought they were better than anyone and others players suck or are noobs.
Now SE slaped em in the face and a lot of those "noobs" can slap a relic holder in the face with just a woe +1 weapon and make you cry and complain.
Looks like the karma came around
And yes, its clear that they should enhance them(woe shouldnt beat them) but no way to make them the best weapons in game again, the new content should be better than the old content as is normal, or were you wearing af1 at 75 because it was the best at 60?
Finally SE noticed that wasn't fair for the mayority of player to been months working for someone and don't get something in exchange, now in that time you can get the best weapon in game for everyone that was helping.
Maybe they made it too easy(mnk+whm > all), but the idea of a group of 4-6 players being able to clear all the stuff isn't bad at all.
The times of some e-peen players taking advantage of others to get they shit is over, now you can just gather with your close friends and get your shit w/o having to deal with some morons, and that is what should have been done long ago.
Stop complaining about your old outdated gear and weapons, they are going to be easier to get after the update, even then, they are easy to get now that 3 ppl can overkill a dynanis, and dont tell me that kill 5000 easy prey mobs is harder and less time consuming than kill 75 apademak for example, because you can solo the 5000 mobs w/o competition and you need help for apademak, plus its overcamped. So yeah Empyrean > Relic
You get it now? this is a MMO, and MMOs change over time, if you dont like you know where the door its, but i really doubt that anyone that had enought adiction to work for a relic leaves the game instead of getting a empyrean, so don't put false words of people in your mouth, as no one is gonna quit for this.

Wow you are beyond retarded. Guess you missed the point were i said i own a empy weapon aswell. I still stick by what i said relics should outclass the much easier weapon to get.

No point even going any further with you.

[Rambus]

no, you are the ones that don't get it, the game advanced and you gotta accept it.
And you know whats the funny part of it?
That a big portion of relic holders, like [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]
Now SE slaped em in the face and a lot of those "noobs" can slap a relic holder in the face with just a woe +1 weapon and make you cry and complain.
Looks like the karma came around
And yes, its clear that they should enhance them(woe shouldnt beat them) but no way to make them the best weapons in game again, the new content should be better than the old content as is normal, or were you wearing af1 at 75 because it was the best at 60?
Finally SE noticed that wasn't fair for the mayority of player to been months working for someone and don't get something in exchange, now in that time you can get the best weapon in game for everyone that was helping.
Maybe they made it too easy(mnk+whm > all), but the idea of a group of 4-6 players being able to clear all the stuff isn't bad at all.
The times of some e-peen players taking advantage of others to get they shit is over, now you can just gather with your close friends and get your shit w/o having to deal with some morons, and that is what should have been done long ago.
Stop complaining about your old outdated gear and weapons, they are going to be easier to get after the update, even then, they are easy to get now that 3 ppl can overkill a dynanis, and dont tell me that kill 5000 easy prey mobs is harder and less time consuming than kill 75 apademak for example, because you can solo the 5000 mobs w/o competition and you need help for apademak, plus its overcamped. So yeah Empyrean > Relic
You get it now? this is a MMO, and MMOs change over time, if you dont like you know where the door its, but i really doubt that anyone that had enought adiction to work for a relic leaves the game instead of getting a empyrean, so don't put false words of people in your mouth, as no one is gonna quit for this.
Last edited by Bublex; Today at 03:28 PM. Reason: Content was edited by Moderator due to violation of Forum Guidelines.

I have no idea what you are talking about. This is the first time in 7 years SE is actually replacing stuff.
SE did not do a good job replacing elemental staffs with that PW staff, or even the 75 mythic, so how can you say new stuff = better? this is not WoW! Abyssea was the first time that they appealed to "entitlement" as well.

You said it is a good thing I am a BLM and RDM that you don't need hard to get weapons to be cool. that’s part of the problem, mythics are not appealing to all jobs, you honestly don't want to strive to a big long term goal?

Saying emps should be best is just lol, no ambition.

When I first started off I was a BLM and I was planning to get relic staff because that was my job. When I started to play other jobs and liked rng so I started to strive for bow to be my goal.

What is the logic of replacing that takes years to do? All you are doing is trying to act big in saying “lol you spent so much time for nothing”
It makes no sense to say relic and mythic weapon should be out of date other than to laugh at the people that went to got them

SE gave relics highest D on weapon so it seems SE wants relics to be best. SE has shown to make mistakes. "emp weapons" seems like a mistake of being best because atma was not factored in.

you really think SE made PW to drop a staff to underperform elemental staffs on purpose? SE made a lot of gear that makes no sence where it looks like they throw random stats on stuff and hope it works.

Emp weapons is the newest mistake of that.
90% of items SE makes are not ment to replace but to close gaps of have and have nots, SE is forced to replace stuff now since level is 90, and they would not make relic weapon trials if they had your views.

emps are fine to brige gap of have not, but outdoing relics? no

[Arcalimo]

If you read my first post i said that all 3 should be equal in terms of damage, after all they are suposed to be legendary weapons. What i do mean is that if you have to make ones strongers than others empyreans should be the strongers.
That you spend X years in to get an item is not a reason for it to last forever, or do you play just for items, actually i think we all play to have fun and spend our time, new content should be good news for everyone, and aiming for them to let relics or any 75 gear remain as the best gear is just stay in the past, by that logic AF3 shouldn't exist either? or we have to spend this time getting items that at 99 will be outperformed by augmented level 75 gear? for that we could just stick with what we had and do nothing til 99 comes in.
And ambition? if i had ambition i would be working on empyrean instead of crying in every forum about how they "nerfed" my weapon or gear, and id be happy since they gave me something better than what i had before, but no the problem is not ambition, its that people its not happy seeing that everyone can get a empyrean now easy, and before they were only a few the ones that had relic weapons, thats the problem, that people is just jelaous that most casual players can have the same gear as a dedicated player now.

[Bubian]

no, you are the ones that don't get it, the game advanced and you gotta accept it.
And you know whats the funny part of it?
That a big portion of relic holders, like [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]
Now SE slaped em in the face and a lot of those "noobs" can slap a relic holder in the face with just a woe +1 weapon and make you cry and complain.
Looks like the karma came around
And yes, its clear that they should enhance them(woe shouldnt beat them) but no way to make them the best weapons in game again, the new content should be better than the old content as is normal, or were you wearing af1 at 75 because it was the best at 60?
Finally SE noticed that wasn't fair for the mayority of player to been months working for someone and don't get something in exchange, now in that time you can get the best weapon in game for everyone that was helping.
Maybe they made it too easy(mnk+whm > all), but the idea of a group of 4-6 players being able to clear all the stuff isn't bad at all.
The times of some e-peen players taking advantage of others to get they shit is over, now you can just gather with your close friends and get your shit w/o having to deal with some morons, and that is what should have been done long ago.
Stop complaining about your old outdated gear and weapons, they are going to be easier to get after the update, even then, they are easy to get now that 3 ppl can overkill a dynanis, and dont tell me that kill 5000 easy prey mobs is harder and less time consuming than kill 75 apademak for example, because you can solo the 5000 mobs w/o competition and you need help for apademak, plus its overcamped. So yeah Empyrean > Relic
You get it now? this is a MMO, and MMOs change over time, if you dont like you know where the door its, but i really doubt that anyone that had enought adiction to work for a relic leaves the game instead of getting a empyrean, so don't put false words of people in your mouth, as no one is gonna quit for this.

huh? Noobs slapping a relic holder in the face wut? Clearly You have had a bad experience with some relic holder. In my experience, relic holders have always been great and goodwill ambassadors of the game. You CLEARLY and I emphasize *CLEARLY* Have NO CLUE what you are babbling about.

Relics are *rare*, and if you wanna be pimped out being a clone like everyone else wearing an emp weapon, go ahead, congratulations. FFXI is a stand alone game, stop comparing it to WOW where everyone is the same clone and leaves no one to stand out with something precious and exceptional. This isn't WOW, go play that.

[Gravionblack]

Well i think it is a matter of taste myself, There are the abyssea weapons out now and they are very nice, but to be honest i am still going to go for my relic weapon just because i want it. Even if the abyssea weapon does more dmg and is ten times better then a relic that wont change the fact that i simply want my relic. (and rambus . . . . you have my bow give it back!! =P j/k) Ranger was my main job up until i could never get help with anything , then i swapped it to ninja. I love both those jobs very much so i will be trying to get the relic weapons on both. Why do i want the relic you may ask, to me it a personal goal, same as getting the Usukane set. Is there pieces out there that are better, im sure there may be but i don't really care. The same thing with selene's bow, it took me 8hrs of camping that Nm b4 i finally got it only to turn around less then 2 weeks later to get the Seige bow. So i guess there are those of us who get armor and weapons just for the stat's and those of us who get them because the personal time and sense of accomplishment we feel after getting them. I just wanted to put this out there is all. Not saying you are one or the other Arcalimo, but just try and think of it as some of the people did it for their own reasons.

[Dazusu]

Does anyone on this page know what a paragraph is?

Can't be arsed reading wall-o-text.

SE - Fix relics.

That is all.

[LeaderofAtlantis]

There's no doubt that the original system for obtaining relic weapons was slightly broken and required a large number of people working together for months or even a year or more, for the goal of getting 1 person the best weapon (at the time) in the game. Once you have that Lv75 weapon now, the rest of it is just monotonous activity that you can do solo for the most part until the final 2 boosts which requires, once again, for you to bring together a group of people to devote their time so that just 1 person can get a weapon even stronger.

I want to see Relics return to the top tier. I don't own one yet, but the prize should equal the effort. Now, I would like to see a less exploitative method for obtaining them (which the new Dynamis system sounds like it will do a little bit), but in the end, 10+ months of work should give you a bigger reward than 2-3 weeks.

Maybe the higher levels should see an increase in the activation of the additional effect or maybe an increase in their potency as well as the potency of the weaponskill aftermaths?

[Alkimi]

Now SE slaped em in the face and a lot of those "noobs" can slap a relic holder in the face with just a woe +1 weapon and make you cry and complain.
Looks like the karma came around

Clearly hasn't played with 90% of people with Masamune. They're pretty much all terrible.