FIX Relic Weapons

[Cursed]

stick with it! like i said before I think emp weapons where a mistake, its not the first time i seen shortsidness in making gear ( like any fourm of MAB on weapons, mythic staffs, PW staff)

they make all these random atma buffs and did not realise RR + emp weapon > sick.

here is something in the other thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...you-done/page9

point is I do not understand why mythics where made like they where ( SE said relic > mythic > other weapons when they came out) to have a lot of mythics underperform other weapons.

SE has been short sided on this issue for a while, and people are now even more mad about it because of emp weapons now.

The prices of currecy even reflects SE being short sided, even back when relics where the only thing. not all relics where "good". The "good" ones that where done a lot more vs others took a lot of bronze so people sold that type a lot higher then the rest. sandy is not hard, in fact I would call it the easiest one to do.

weapons that are most heavy in bronze ( first weapon on the list takes the most)
Shield (125-30)
Bow(119-30)
club (105-30)
GS (104-30)
sword (104-30)
GKT (103-30)
Gun (62)
staff (62)
Katana (61)
Polorm (61)
horn (60)
great axe (60)

FFXI AH lists:

515 shields
357 scythe
346 GKT
279 dagger
243 horn
148 GA
147 bow
137 sword
95 h2h
92 gun
72 Katana
49 polarm
20 GS
13 club
11 axe
10 staff

total spent:
13 551 300 byne
18 352 700 silver
13 403 800 shell

anyone see a problem with this? there is a ton of silver being spent because the "better" relics eat a lot of them sheild *not so much now i understand that relic shield is not good now*, bow, gun, GKT, horn are the ones that are seen as good out of them, then you can pair up bow/GKT, sword/sheild on one job that makes it even worse if someone is really hard core on those jobs. those 2 pairings of weapons, those 4 all requre gold pieces.

515 shields
in other words "515 really pissed off PLDs"

[Rambus]

515 shields
in other words "515 really pissed off PLDs"

lol ya =/

I'm sure some quit, some new ones where made, but the overall trend is the same, the relic weapons that are usually picked are ones that are high cost in bronze (which can reflect that each weapon is not truly best for every class like the staff) even back at 75 when relics was the only thing. SE said themselves they really do not consider complaints about an issue unless a lot of people speak up about it (statement SE made when asked about the shortcomings on SMN)
So relics where never fixed.

Then came mythic, and yet again not many cared to step up and say "hey most of these weapons suck"

Now that emp weapons are out people really start to care. The imbalances are now very glaring with those weapons out and it is time to fix them.
I'm pretty sure SE does not know, they throw random stats on stuff a lot without though testing. (they had a lot of time to balance relics among themselves and make them appropriate for the jobs, same with mythic)

[Musahashi]

I still don't get why people are asking these questions now. There is a lot more to come in the next few years of FFXI, and it's going to keep moving further from the original concept of the FF franchise. I'm going to put my money on the next idea, Enix will probably bring something new to the board after the 90 cap has been lifted, and it will probably be better than Emp or Relic, and most likely just as "easy" to get.

Try not to think of what is currently bad in the current game, but how it's going to get worse, lets try to stop them making the game worse, before they actually do. Remeber, prevention is better than cure, and we all know Enix will never fix this game and bring into the glory it once had.

[Arcalimo]

i don't support make relic weapons the best again, and more now that dynamis is going to be modified, who knows if they will be accesible for everyone in a near future.
Imo, a good solution would be to make relic and empyrean ws accesible with any weapons (like mythic ws are) with any trial or something, and just make relic's, empyrean's and mythic's aftermaths work with any ws, just for having the weapon equiped, make the weapons be unique just by their aftermaths, in a way that all 3 do the same amount of damage in comparation with the others but they give a unique buff that makes them usefull dependig on the situation.
That way if they were supposed to be the legendary weapons, they will still be, but that doesn't mean that they should be better than other legendary weapons and if you really like a job you will work to have all 3 and use one or another depending on the situation.

[Michaeluk]

i don't support make relic weapons the best again, and more now that dynamis is going to be modified, who knows if they will be accesible for everyone in a near future.
Imo, a good solution would be to make relic and empyrean ws accesible with any weapons (like mythic ws are) with any trial or something, and just make relic's, empyrean's and mythic's aftermaths work with any ws, just for having the weapon equiped, make the weapons be unique just by their aftermaths, in a way that all 3 do the same amount of damage in comparation with the others but they give a unique buff that makes them usefull dependig on the situation.
That way if they were supposed to be the legendary weapons, they will still be, but that doesn't mean that they should be better than other legendary weapons and if you really like a job you will work to have all 3 and use one or another depending on the situation.

Wow terrible idea. Suck less. Another no hoper who hasn't put the time or effort into getting a relic or mythic.

[Rambus]

Wow terrible idea. Suck less. Another no hoper who hasn't put the time or effort into getting a relic or mythic.

I did state a similar idea though it was more of a let relics and mythics access the emp ws and allow those ws trigger the aftereffect as well.

It would fix mythics needing a level 3 ws, not using bad ws ( most mythics anyway drakesbane is nice).

for the most part the D on weapons is washy, some its relic > mythic > emp, some its relic=mythic> emp some its relic>emp> mythic

I really think SE forgot about mythics and thier issues =/

like I said before mythics need the most boosting, people don't do them as is, emps made that situation worse.

should be mroe then club and SMM staff

[Arcalimo]

Wow terrible idea. Suck less. Another no hoper who hasn't put the time or effort into getting a relic or mythic.

Yeah, because a relic/mythic would be nice to my rdm or my blm that are my main jobs, try with another card man.
If you had put the "time" and "effort" into getting a relic im sorry for you, you wasted 200M in a piece of junk and now you have to come cry here.
And i wouldn't call it "time" and "effort" to just buying gil and buy the currency and pay a ls for the kills, that or just use some ppl to work for your relic to later give them nothing in exchange, im sorry but im not that selfish and im glad that my jobs don't need a relic to be cool.
If you don't like a idea say so but dont come here flaming people, discuss or propose another thing or stfu.

Actually by doing aftermath work with other weaponskills you could use the new wss and still benefit from your relic, or you want them to add new stuff to just keep using old ws and abilities? that's not how stuff has to work, adding new content to just stick with old content is retarded

[Michaeluk]

Yeah, because a relic/mythic would be nice to my rdm or my blm that are my main jobs, try with another card man.
If you had put the "time" and "effort" into getting a relic im sorry for you, you wasted 200M in a piece of junk and now you have to come cry here.
And i wouldn't call it "time" and "effort" to just buying gil and buy the currency and pay a ls for the kills, that or just use some ppl to work for your relic to later give them nothing in exchange, im sorry but im not that selfish and im glad that my jobs don't need a relic to be cool.
If you don't like a idea say so but dont come here flaming people, discuss or propose another thing or stfu.

Actually by doing aftermath work with other weaponskills you could use the new wss and still benefit from your relic, or you want them to add new stuff to just keep using old ws and abilities? that's not how stuff has to work, adding new content to just stick with old content is retarded

First of you state you don't have a job to use a relic well why are you even in this topic posting ?

If you think everyone bought gil to get a relic then you are a complete moron and maybe you shouldn't judge people by your own gil buying standards.

Of course what you people seem to forget the ones who seem to be hateing on relics now is that to get a relic people need to farm the gil to get the currency, get all the dynamis drops and then the trials when they now eventually get the base 75 weapon. This is a lot more work then spamming some very easy nms for 1-2days to get a empy. The dynamis part of the trial 85-90 itself takes longer to do than make a empy.

P.s wank face i've got a relic and a emp, and im telling you that the relic should be the better weapon at 99, come back when you have spent time working on a relic until then you really can't judge, so you kindly stfu sir.

[Unctgtg]

Yeah, because a relic/mythic would be nice to my rdm or my blm that are my main jobs, try with another card man.
If you had put the "time" and "effort" into getting a relic im sorry for you, you wasted 200M in a piece of junk and now you have to come cry here.
And i wouldn't call it "time" and "effort" to just buying gil and buy the currency and pay a ls for the kills, that or just use some ppl to work for your relic to later give them nothing in exchange, im sorry but im not that selfish and im glad that my jobs don't need a relic to be cool.
If you don't like a idea say so but dont come here flaming people, discuss or propose another thing or stfu.

Actually by doing aftermath work with other weaponskills you could use the new wss and still benefit from your relic, or you want them to add new stuff to just keep using old ws and abilities? that's not how stuff has to work, adding new content to just stick with old content is retarded

You really don't get it do you.

In other news, glad to see so many agree. Come on SE fix them.

[Arcalimo]

no, you are the ones that don't get it, the game advanced and you gotta accept it.
And you know whats the funny part of it?
That a big portion of relic holders, like [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.]
Now SE slaped em in the face and a lot of those "noobs" can slap a relic holder in the face with just a woe +1 weapon and make you cry and complain.
Looks like the karma came around
And yes, its clear that they should enhance them(woe shouldnt beat them) but no way to make them the best weapons in game again, the new content should be better than the old content as is normal, or were you wearing af1 at 75 because it was the best at 60?
Finally SE noticed that wasn't fair for the mayority of player to been months working for someone and don't get something in exchange, now in that time you can get the best weapon in game for everyone that was helping.
Maybe they made it too easy(mnk+whm > all), but the idea of a group of 4-6 players being able to clear all the stuff isn't bad at all.
The times of some e-peen players taking advantage of others to get they shit is over, now you can just gather with your close friends and get your shit w/o having to deal with some morons, and that is what should have been done long ago.
Stop complaining about your old outdated gear and weapons, they are going to be easier to get after the update, even then, they are easy to get now that 3 ppl can overkill a dynanis, and dont tell me that kill 5000 easy prey mobs is harder and less time consuming than kill 75 apademak for example, because you can solo the 5000 mobs w/o competition and you need help for apademak, plus its overcamped. So yeah Empyrean > Relic
You get it now? this is a MMO, and MMOs change over time, if you dont like you know where the door its, but i really doubt that anyone that had enought adiction to work for a relic leaves the game instead of getting a empyrean, so don't put false words of people in your mouth, as no one is gonna quit for this.