Quote Originally Posted by VoiceMemo View Post
For those who wish to discuss this further and not be condescending like Songen here is my example situation.

party of 11, composed of

party 1 Tank, Whm, Geo, brd, DD, DD
party 2 DD, DD, DD, cor, whm

Brd Soul voices and CC's NT
Than pianissmo's ballad 3 on whm, cannot put any more ballads as ballad 2 would overwrite ballad 3

Brd then swaps to 2nd party, sings madrigal, madrigal, attack, daurdabla song1, daurdabla song 2, honor, victory
again pianissmo's ballad 3 on whm, and cannot put any more ballads as they would overwrite ballad 3

NT has worn by now and it is still impossible to overwrite other songs with ballads and because of the amount of songs it is impossible to have whm stand away
from the dd so that they do not receive the dd songs, as the max time for NT is 1 min 20 seconds with max NT merits you can get 15, maybe 16 songs off when you include swap time, pianissimo ja time and if swap is slow NT will not last long enough to get the 2nd party with full duration songs.

This is why I think ballads should act like hastes where the higher one cannot be overwritten by a lower one, thereby forcing one of the other songs off. After NT wears soul voice and cc still have a good 1 min 40 seconds left. I would like to apply 3 ballads 2 marches on myself so I would have more mp refresh to assist healing/na'ing alliance.

It makes no sense to reorder songs in this case to focus on ballads first as this is all about DD songs, dd's would benefit more from songs with longer duration, but to help support it would be good to have ballads on, but the song duration prevents this.

The only other solutions are to add more ballad + gear on slots that currently don't have all song or song duration on them. Adding more all song gear would just keep the ballad to other song gap the same. The current gap is 27% between acc/march compared to ballad duration.

Or to increase the base duration of ballads by 27%, 32.4s.

Ballad +2 on empyrean legs is not enough to bridge the gap between other songs. To match other songs legs would have to be Ballad +3.7
(Before you write off what i am writing, atleast read the last 2 paragraphs)

i have no want to be condescending,i am not trying to belittle, or shame or over all say your idea isn't bad,infact it does have alot of merit and can be one of the best new idea's around however that merit holds a heavy limit for all brds.

My only concern is the bards who want all 3 ballads on outside of big events, your method blocks ballads full stop should ballad 3 land, not everyone is a overpowered bard, i am trying think of the entire player base rather than a few (And i say a few because there are only a few brds like yourself who have the gear plus can do what you mentioned exactly correctly)
I am trying to be realistic for bards in general,you are talking from the prospective of NT, only in high teir events will such a tactic will it be used where you plan such a massive amount of songs over alliances within a short period.

If all you want is to land ballad 3, then make your ballad 3 the last song you sing (Buff all DD's fully then make the last song you sing ballad 3 for the whm). it will land for sure for the whm since songs always overwrite the lowest delay song, even if the delay is 15mins, any new songs will overwrite that 15 min song since its the lowest delay on the list.

my example falls to you too "After NT wears soul voice and cc still have a good 1 min 40 seconds left. I would like to apply 3 ballads 2 marches on myself so I would have more mp refresh to assist healing/na'ing alliance."
Should you by accident land ballad 3 on yourself first, you'll be unable to achieve all 3 ballad songs since #3 blocks #2 and #1.

I am honestly not trying to make problems mate, what i would suggest tho is the ability "Tenuto" affect party members too rather than the brd casting it only, this will grant your non overwrite requirement on anyone fully and can actually lock all song types meaning you could in essence lock whm first with all 3 ballads then go nuts with melee buffs.

You can even lock defencive songs on the pld first then go nuts boosting your melees, it is a 5 second ability however considering the delay between songs, you might lose 1-2 second only depending on your fast cast (which odviously is capped for you)and the natural delay between songs.