Dual Wield yes,please

[Flunklesnarkin]

BST is a warrior who puts as much value and energy into beasts and creatures as he does into one's one fighting strength and skill. That does not lead to wielding weapons with both hands. Ninja, dancer and theif are all very dextrous and have use of developing such skill. it is natural. bluemage just steals all abilities and traits from others.

If the jobs were what you want them to be, we would have a system like in ff10 or ff12 where you can just level until you have everything. FF11 is not like this. Support jobs give us alot of flexibility, but jobs are roles are defined.

That's your opinion.. and you're wrong

[Areola]

In ff3 all the jobs could duel-weld, and FF10 is my favorite FF game . I'm sorry that was way off topic.

[Xilk]

That's your opinion.. and you're wrong

Now you wanna have an elementary school argument?


"NO! YOU'RE WRONG!"
"NO I'M NOT, YOU"RE WRONG!!"
"NO I'M NOT, YOU"RE WRONG!!"
"NO I'M NOT, YOU"RE WRONG!!"
"NO I'M NOT, YOU"RE WRONG!!"

if you disagree... "put up or shut up".
if you want credibility, propose a counter opinion. See how believable it is.

[Alukat]

proving a negative is a logical fallacy. If you feel that strongly about it, please suggest what about beastmaster implies, suggests or in any way relates to dual wield.

thf, dnc, and blu have their reasons (thf less than any others). Nin, it is blatantly obvious. Any other job has no connection at all. Unless you think dual wield should be available natively for ALL jobs. I feel it should not happen because it feels forced and contrived, and there are already ample ways to get dual wield on a bst if you like. The whole concept of support jobs is to add variety and contrasts.

now explain me why dnc and blu have their reasons?
dnc single handed weapon
blu single handed weapon
nin single handed weapon
thf single handed weapon
pld (supposed to be tank , sword + shield obviously)
whm main healer
blm main nuker
rdm support
and bst (single handed too and front line job)?
Edit: snarl makes shield unneccessary in most situations anyway.

or wait pld undead tank because of undead killer, bst tank for animal mobs, samurai tank for demons?
bst is still 110 skill levels behind pld.......

we don't talk about DW 3-5 here just a simple DW I, u won't need to use it if u don't want.
but what in general hurts u with getting a simple DW I?

[Kensagaku]

What in general hurts you about not getting Dual Wield? I feel it's unnecessary as well. Why do we need DW, even DW1, when all you just want is two axes while playing whatever sub you want? Each job has its unique niche; BST's main role (regardless of what people see nowadays) is the use of pets (via jugs or charm) in order to deal damage and fight enemies. Our role isn't to be dextrously wielding two weapons.

-NIN gets away with it because Dual Wield has been a NIN trait since like FFV.
-BLU gets it because of their ability to have a bit of everything from their setting of monster spells.
-DNC and THF are more dextrous, giving them the ability to easily wield two weapons; this is a stretched argument, and honestly I feel that since most of them still sub NIN anyway, it was somewhat pointless except for the fact that DNC has a higher tier of DW.

The only reason people want DW is so that they can still do their two-axes thing while playing a different sub. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to sacrifice something to get something else. That's why RDM (to give an example) has to choose between Divine Seal (double cure potency helps a lot!) and natural -nas from /WHM, Stratagems including AoE versions of their spells and JA-allowed -nas from /SCH, or Elemental Seal and Stun and Sleepga which they could all benefit from /BLM. You have to make choices; you can't have everything just on the argument that "others have it, why don't we?"

[Alukat]

but SE stated that they want ppl to try other sub job combinations, sadly can't find that post atm, but with all the trial axes it is neccessary for bst to have DW I. if it hasn't it ppl will always stay a /dnc & /nin for the benefits of 2 axes.
/nin is pretty useless beside DW I

and I WANT TO TRY other combinations. now why do u always have to buggering my gameplay style ,because of you are of those main stream /dnc or /nin?

Ninja edit: when i was doing trial i just needed /nin for DW, never casted utsusemi once.
that is a waste of potency in that job
Edit2: /dnc yeah it is cool if u need to waste tp for steps, when u could use them for ws
/whm u have cure and u still get the potency out of 2 axes and u won't have to waste tp for steps & waltzes

[Untamedheart]

Sub cor and sub brd are really terrible and shouldn't really be used ever for bst.

With cor sub, you are looking at getting 1 roll at half potency only as there is a penalty to cor rolls when buffing higher level targets. A subbed cor treats your roll as coming from a level 45 corsair.

With brd sub, you are looking at 3.5% haste gained from advancing march, perhaps a little more as that is from a 37 sub. Even at 45 sub, I don't think it will come anywhere near 5% you can get from haste samba.

Overall if you want to buff the party, a 5% haste samba would outdo either of those subs assuming there isn't another source of samba within the PT.

What I really wish is that they would unnerf samba. Does anyone remember when samba used to affect pets when they first released Wings of the Goddess? I never really understood why they nerfed it. It wasn't really that broken and I hope they reconsider.

[Alukat]

well, i used /brd and proc'd yellow >.>
sadly my pet had to eat lots of dmg because i couldn't wield 2 axes ><

[Untamedheart]

well, i used /brd and proc'd yellow >.>
sadly my pet had to eat lots of dmg because i couldn't wield 2 axes ><

You could have subbed nin and pretty much still had the same chance at a yellow proc?

[Alukat]

not in a pt with blu/nin blm/rdm whm/sch