Dual Wield yes,please

[Areola]

There is no way Se would give duel-weld to bst. But i still love the thought of it . Hey just for the sake of conversation what if it was a merit job trait and you could only use axes with it?

We need a name for it. I vote for "Two axe holding job trait".... wait no i suck at this

[Glamdring]

SE, just give every job in the game Dual Wield 5 so people will shut up about this! While we're at it they all need Reraise III, A+ evasion and permanent refresh/regen for at least 10/tic so they never have to rest...

seriously, there is no conceivable reason to have this native. if you don't want to /nin or /dnc then get a tatami shield, the thing will save your life several times over when you solo.

[Flunklesnarkin]

SE, just give every job in the game Dual Wield 5 so people will shut up about this! While we're at it they all need Reraise III, A+ evasion and permanent refresh/regen for at least 10/tic so they never have to rest...

seriously, there is no conceivable reason to have this native. if you don't want to /nin or /dnc then get a tatami shield, the thing will save your life several times over when you solo.

I think reraise 3 might be a bit much for everyjob.. why not just reraise 2 ;o

[Xilk]

i doubt point 2 :x

and to point 1, you said u wouldn't want it. but u saying it again and again and again when anyone says that they would like it.......
one time would be enough.....

If you doubt point 2, then its because you are too lazy to look anything up. It also implies discussing w/ you is pointless, as fact and data are not important to any conclusions. Elvaan have top spot for mind. Galka and Hume are tied for 2nd. Mithra and taru are lower.

when someone wants a trait like dual wield on a job like bst... it just screams that they really want to play another job instead. It has NOTHING to do w/ being a beastmaster. It would be like randomly giving smn or whm the beast killer trait. Or, lets give samurai cure 2 natively at level 67.

If you are so married to a dual wield support job, then having it natively to bst would not make a difference in how you play anyway.

Thf, Dnc, and blu all used /nin almost exclusively. It was the ONLY way for thf and dnc most the time to have any dd output. It made some sense giving it to dnc or thf. The way blu job traits work, its feasible for blu to get it as well.

It makes absolutely no sense to give it to bst.

[Areola]

What makes it have nothing to do with beatsmaster? Does it not fit what you think bst play style should be? Does it not look normal to see a bst with two axes? Would it be to powerful? Does your family own a shield manufacturing company and duel-weal is cutting into your inheritance? Its just bst, what could possibly happen that's so unnerving?

I guess i just don't understand why people so deeply opposed to this idea, even though it will never happen.

[guinness]

Isn't this like saying they should give BST the teleport spells and mp native. I mean why can't I just have teleport all around while I'm /<insert sub> whenever I want.

[Xilk]

What makes it have nothing to do with beatsmaster? Does it not fit what you think bst play style should be? Does it not look normal to see a bst with two axes? Would it be to powerful? Does your family own a shield manufacturing company and duel-weal is cutting into your inheritance? Its just bst, what could possibly happen that's so unnerving?

I guess i just don't understand why people so deeply opposed to this idea, even though it will never happen.

proving a negative is a logical fallacy. If you feel that strongly about it, please suggest what about beastmaster implies, suggests or in any way relates to dual wield.

thf, dnc, and blu have their reasons (thf less than any others). Nin, it is blatantly obvious. Any other job has no connection at all. Unless you think dual wield should be available natively for ALL jobs. I feel it should not happen because it feels forced and contrived, and there are already ample ways to get dual wield on a bst if you like. The whole concept of support jobs is to add variety and contrasts.

[Gotterdammerung]

to point 1, you said u wouldn't want it. but u saying it again and again and again when anyone says that they would like it.......
one time would be enough.....

I was responding to the conversation. I wasn't just repetitively saying "i don't want it. i don't want it. i don't want it."

And i resent you implying such things *pffft*.

And really i don't need to say much else, Xilk is doing a fine job of explaining.

[Areola]

There is no way to imply what bst is. its always seemed to be general knowledge that bst allows the player to decide how they want to play it(Just look at the bst only gear with MP on it). There is no reason for bst to have duel-weld, but i don't see any reason for bst not to have it.

Idk maybe i just don't see duel-weld as something special, or like its something a job should hold dear because its what makes that job unique(i never have). All it is to me is holding two weapons. To be competently honest if bst got duel-weld native i would still sub dancer for the most part. It just fits my play style.

For the record i don't think bst needs duel-weld i just think it would be cool to have.

[Xilk]

There is no way to imply what bst is. its always seemed to be general knowledge that bst allows the player to decide how they want to play it(Just look at the bst only gear with MP on it). There is no reason for bst to have duel-weld, but i don't see any reason for bst not to have it.

Idk maybe i just don't see duel-weld as something special, or like its something a job should hold dear because its what makes that job unique(i never have). All it is to me is holding two weapons. To be competently honest if bst got duel-weld native i would still sub dancer for the most part. It just fits my play style.

For the record i don't think bst needs duel-weld i just think it would be cool to have.

BST is a warrior who puts as much value and energy into beasts and creatures as he does into one's one fighting strength and skill. That does not lead to wielding weapons with both hands. Ninja, dancer and theif are all very dextrous and have use of developing such skill. it is natural. bluemage just steals all abilities and traits from others.

If the jobs were what you want them to be, we would have a system like in ff10 or ff12 where you can just level until you have everything. FF11 is not like this. Support jobs give us alot of flexibility, but jobs are roles are defined.