BLU Balance

[Diavolo]

Do you play BLU, Afania? I asked this question to the OP and they sidestepped it.

[Afania]

Do you play BLU, Afania? I asked this question to the OP and they sidestepped it.

May I ask you one question before I answer? Why is it an important factor that someone plays BLU or not in a BLU balance discussion?

I'm not sidestepping it, but I don't think it's fair to judge how legit the opinions are based on whether someone plays BLU or not. It's often a concern brought up in BLU DPS discussion repeatedly, with everyone claiming "you want a nerf because you don't play BLU", despite several people pro nerf people in the discussion that I know of has high end BLU.

[Diavolo]

May I ask you one question before I answer? Why is it an important factor that someone plays BLU or not in a BLU balance discussion?

I'm not sidestepping it, but I don't think it's fair to judge how legit the opinions are based on whether someone plays BLU or not. It's often a concern brought up in BLU DPS discussion repeatedly, with everyone claiming "you want a nerf because you don't play BLU", despite several people pro nerf people in the discussion that I know of has high end BLU.

I'll take that as a no.

It's double standards. You're quick to judge a job you do not play. You are also quick to point out that some of the BLUs that do play support your opinion. Well, this is the other side of the coin.

Go spend some time with the job and attempt to do the things you and many detractors claim are possible, such as reliably clearing VD avatars in a few minutes. I think many opinions would be changed with some firsthand experience.

[Afania]

I'll take that as a no.

I read my reply, over and over, which is this:

May I ask you one question before I answer? Why is it an important factor that someone plays BLU or not in a BLU balance discussion?

I'm not sidestepping it, but I don't think it's fair to judge how legit the opinions are based on whether someone plays BLU or not. It's often a concern brought up in BLU DPS discussion repeatedly, with everyone claiming "you want a nerf because you don't play BLU", despite several people pro nerf people in the discussion that I know of has high end BLU.

None of them sent out a "no" msg. Idk who's quick to jump to the conclusion here.

I didn't even answer your question and you quickly jump into conclusion that "Afania doesn't play BLU", then proceed to basically write off ALL of my opinion by disagree with an opinion that's NOT even presented by me, but by someone else.

I see that was your goal when you asked the question anyways, that's why I questioned your motivation. And it seems that I'm correct about your motivation.

If you read my argument about BLU instead of skipping them, or confusing my post with OPs, you'd know that none of my opinion ever touch VD solo abilities, nor I care about BLU's solo abilities. I only ever expressed opinion about MG mechanic favoring 2x BLU setup and encourage people invite 2 BLU over 1 BLU 1 DD or 2 DD in pt.

Also before you use the "Oh you don't play BLU so your opinion doesn't count" tactic, why don't you use the same tactics on Comeatmebro who has better gears than majority of career BLUs and still support BLU nerf?

Back to your question, BLU is my first job, I've been playing since 75 and before it got bandwagoned to death like it today. I'm not CAREER BLU nor even MAIN BLU, and I only play it in easy content like Ambuscade Vol 2, or dynamis, or when I wanted to solo some stuff that needs aoe or shadows or sleeps. My BLU isn't high end, nor able to outparse elite ones, but that doesn't mean I don't play it. It's just one of my job among 5 others and not my best geared, nor most played job.

The reason why I didn't ans because i think you asked the question with the intention to find flaws and write off my opinion, and I think it's a cheap tactic in a discussion. That's why I didn't ans. I'm pretty sure the moment I ans your question you'll continue to attack with "but your BLU isn't elite so your opinion is moot" or "You're not career BLU so your opinion is moot" etc.

Anyways, the point is to argue the point, don't focus on the person behind the opinion. You don't even need to play BLU, just need to organize a BLU x2 setup pt once in your lifetime to understand how MG mechanics work, and how it boosts the defense of 2 DD AND give pt 1 free extra bubble for even more defense, while other DD jobs don't get any of that.

[Diavolo]

I didn't even answer your question and you quickly jump into conclusion that "Afania doesn't play BLU", then proceed to basically write off ALL of my opinion...

I'm merely trying to get a better understanding of where you're coming from. Good to know you don't share the OP's opinion.

Why do you reserve a job you believe is overpowered for easy content, isn't that counterproductive?

[Afania]

Why do you reserve a job you believe is overpowered for easy content, isn't that counterproductive?

I don't understand your question. Are you saying I pop on the forum claiming BLU is OP for easy content? Or people shout for BLU because it's OP for easy content? That wasn't the point that I've made in this entire 50 pages discussion on AH and OF. I don't recall I have ever use the term "OP" when it comes to BLU discussion at all.

Maybe you could go back and read the post that I sum up my thoughts about this BLU design mechanics, instead of confuse my point with someone else's every single post.

It's almost as if you guys don't care for job balance or job variety or the games health at all

This........I sincerely don't understand the reason why people questioned my background, jobs leveled, or my motivation, when trying to engage a discussion about design issues.

If people don't use the word BLU, just use a more generalized DD name, then make the follow statement:

DD A can do 5000 DPS, but DD A needs 1 GEO haste bubble, or entrust haste bubble in situations that you can reset JA everytime entrust is down. Therefore DD A can only get 1 GEO offense/defense buff, or 2 when you can reset JA.

DD B can do 5000 DPS, but DD B doesn't need any haste bubble. Therefore DD B always gets at least 2 GEO offense/defense buff, or 3 when you can reset JA.

If you invite 2x DD B, you can gain the access to 2 GEO offense/defense buff full time, if you invite 1 DD A and 1 DD B, you can will lose the access to 1 indi or 1 entrust bubble.

Regardless which DD it is it's mechanically a hole in this entire design, before even looking into MG defense benefits.

But whenever this design issue is being brought up, there's always someone saying "But you don't need those bubbles in content X", "We only use melee in easy content anyways!" and more importantly "Why does it matter to you"


Back then people talked about issues like amount of SoA ring you can get, MNK and SAM bandwagon, merit WS limitations, quality of life adjustments. None of those discussion ever sparked this many people fight against the adjustment, nor questioned people's motivation to ask for adjustment. And those issues has way, way less impact than losing 1 GEO bubble when you can't JA reset.

I personally just don't understand why so many people are against adjustments to MG mechanics. Even if it doesn't affect you today because you clear easy content in 2 min with other DD, and do T3+ with BLMs, it may still affect you one day when new content comes out.

Whether you play BLU or not, and regardless you bring melee to T3+ or not, if you guys only look at the mechanic instead of trying to convince yourself "the mechanic is good, I'm not affected by it" I think it just needs adjustment.