BLU Balance

[Shiyo]

So I'd rather believe in spreadsheet result, WAR and BLU are on the same level in terms of pure DPS. Depending on buffs, situations, gears etc one job may out DPS another.

That's completely not ok. A job like BLU should never come ANYWHERE near a specialists job. Warrior cannot do anything besides deal damage, it should be much stronger than blue mage at dealing damage.

The fact that it's not, is a huge balance issue that needs to be addressed ASAP.

[Immortta]

That's completely not ok. A job like BLU should never come ANYWHERE near a specialists job. Warrior cannot do anything besides deal damage, it should be much stronger than blue mage at dealing damage.

The fact that it's not, is a huge balance issue that needs to be addressed ASAP.

Yes which is why it needs a buff. ALL 1h jobs got stronger, not just BLU, after that ws revamp. I think the 1h ws should be toned a little back and 2h a little more but a nerf to what BLU has done since day1 is silly. It's always had those buffs since day 1.

[Jakuk]

Yes which is why it needs a buff. ALL 1h jobs got stronger, not just BLU, after that ws revamp. I think the 1h ws should be toned a little back and 2h a little more but a nerf to what BLU has done since day1 is silly. It's always had those buffs since day 1.

Because no other job has had a dramatic change from what the job could do Day 1.

BLU Was never this powerful from day one, why people keep claiming this is beyond me.

Yes it had most the same buffs bar MG, but they came at great cost to equip so you were limited on what spells and traits you can have, since JP, 1H buff and MG a LOT has changed.

Is this thread the result of people not getting jobs in PUGs for everyday content?

It's the result of people seeing just how OP this job is and realising that maybe that shouldn't be the case.

[Vae]

So the thing people are getting confused or totally ignoring, is the fact that superbuffed parties, WAR/DRK are insane-o-crazy. There's a REASON bandwagnarok became a thing, and is again now, resolution is incredibly strong, and STP sets/DA/TA sets are better than ever. BUT they REQUIRE a hasteII and who does that hasteII... BLU. Because it's better to use a BLU than to waste a slot on a RDM.

BLU is really strong with only self buffs, too strong in fact. BLU + GEO can solo more than 95% of the entire game. Granted, a PUP BST SMN can too, but that's what they're SUPPOSED to do.

You won't see a THF + GEO or WAR + GEO soloing(duoing) content, why? Because haste II. Because MG. Because self buffs are too good. Traits are too good. Versatility is too high. Survival is too high.

That's not to say you CAN'T do content any other way. But it's obvious to anyone with a brainstem blu is too good.

When we were all taking sch to embrava. You nerfed embrava.
When we were all taking smn to alex. You nerfed Perfect Defense.
When we were buff locking cor rolls. You nerfed buffs wearing.
When we were ALL war. you Nerfed Ukko's.
When we were ALL mnk. you nerfed Smite.
When we were ALL thf. You nerfed rudra's.
When we were ALL bst. You nerfed range.
WE'RE ALL BLU. (for low man and 95% of the game) Nerf hammer. is not optional.
The TOP 5% that matters, is all immanence and death btw, thats OP as shit too.

[Immortta]

Um you do realize that trusts can caste Haste II right in your scenario of duoing/soloing content? *roll eyes*

I guess when we're all GEO for every single fight in the game it doesn't matter
I guess when we're all mage strats for 90% of end game for years it doesn't matter

I'm not gonna throw all the jobs under the bus atm, but there are quite a few that do very well nowdays and not just BLU.

[kylani]

Um you do realize that trusts can caste Haste II right in your scenario of duoing/soloing content? *roll eyes*

I guess when we're all GEO for every single fight in the game it doesn't matter
I guess when we're all mage strats for 90% of end game for years it doesn't matter

I'm not gonna throw all the jobs under the bus atm, but there are quite a few that do very well nowdays and not just BLU.

So it sounds like this is a no-brainer. Blu has trusts like every other job, so removing haste from MG won't even be a nerf. Blu can call a Trust for haste like all the other jobs.

[Diavolo]

It's difficult to have a civil discussion with someone that takes offense to "Do you play BLU?" and then claims the only reason you asked it was to discredit everything they said, painting you in a negative light in the process. I was genuinely curious about your experience with the job.

I swear, everyone is so damned sensitive these days.

[Afania]

It's difficult to have a civil discussion with someone that takes offense to "Do you play BLU?" and then claims the only reason you asked it was to discredit everything they said, painting you in a negative light in the process. I was genuinely curious about your experience with the job.

I swear, everyone is so damned sensitive these days.

It depend on the situation, and how you ask.

In normal circumstances, if I pt with someone, and he asked "do you play BLU?", I wouldn't take offense. I would just view it as a conversation starter.

If someone's organizing pt and he asked "Do you play BLU", I also wouldn't take offense. Because I know pt lead just wanted to gather info on team member's job, to do his job.

In your case, you asked the question "Do you play BLU" basically right after I posted my proposal to the adjustment, in the middle of a heated debate. Followed with "I asked the question to the OP and they sidestepped it."

I'd bet 90% of time people will find it somewhat uncomfortable with a question like this, that's just how human react. People tend to be more defensive in a debate or heated discussion, therefore people tend to react differently compare with "normal" conversation. A "Do you play BLU" question could send out entirely different msg depending on the situation. Try to observe it irl, ask questions like "Do you have Masters in Finance" when 2 people are having a debate about economy, I can promise 90% of people will take offense, or feel uncomfortable about it, especially if you follow with the following sentence: "Last time I asked someone with the same opinion they sidestepped it"

If you really want to ask "do you play BLU" in a heated debate, I'd suggest the more tactful way is to start the conversation with different approach, such as "As someone who also plays BLU, I can understand where you are coming from, BUT [insert your opinions here]" or at least explain your reasoning behind wanting to know, such as "As someone who plays BLU, I find a lot of opinions about BLU is being exaggerated, such as VD solos. Could you tell me a little bit more about your VD solo experiences on BLU?"

There are probably a tactful way to approach the "do you play BLU" question, but definitely not "Do you play BLU? Last time when I asked OP they sidestepped it"

If you choose a less tactful way to engage the conversation, then you can't really blame people for being "too sensitive", most people will have the same reaction.

[Numquam]

Is this thread the result of people not getting jobs in PUGs for everyday content?

[Shiyo]

BLU had 10% magic haste at 75. It has 30% + MG now.