BLU Balance

[Immortta]

You're just going in circles at this point, just stop already. SE has no plans to nerf BLU so sorry but it isn't gonna happen now. If it does happen and it kills the bandwagon I'll be happy with that, but then you'll see these thumpers go to another flavor of the month job and you can hate on that. BST was justified being that they soloed and low manned all the major top end NMs easily, especially with revitalizers, BLU isn't doing that in the same capacity to warrant a nerf.

[Afania]

You're just going in circles at this point, just stop already. SE has no plans to nerf BLU so sorry but it isn't gonna happen now. If it does happen and it kills the bandwagon I'll be happy with that, but then you'll see these thumpers go to another flavor of the month job and you can hate on that. BST was justified being that they soloed and low manned all the major top end NMs easily, especially with revitalizers, BLU isn't doing that in the same capacity to warrant a nerf.

I'm repeating myself because Diavolos repeatly ask irrelevant questions, or misunderstood my entire point, or confuse my posts with someone else's.

I'm ok with people not agreeing with my opinion, I'm not ok with people not reading then jump into conclusion about myself as an individual, or put words in my mouth.

Whether SE makes the adjustment or not is not something that I can control, but at least I have right to clarify my points and defend for myself when people repeatedly put words in my mouth?

[Diavolo]

Your mistake is drawing a line in the sand and saying it's a case of us vs. you while hiding under the pretense of game balance when that's not what you're calling for here at all. Your choice of words seem to demonstrate an anger towards this one job and, for whatever reason, the people who play it. Nerfing BLU isn't going to get the masses to stop choosing GEO over BRD and RDM or choosing SCHs, BLMs and just about any other job over RNG and MNK.

I have every job at 99 with all skills capped, been that way for a while. If BLU gets nerfed to the point where I no longer find it fun and/or efficient to play I'll just move onto something else that is, but with the lack of content currently available I would have to ask myself if it was worth it.

I still believe the lack of end game content is the #1 reason job balance has become such a big issue. There were plenty of fights back at the 75 era that completely removed certain jobs from the playing field (for efficiency's sake, of course) and it didn't matter because there was a wealth of content for us, so if your favorite job didn't get used for one event you could be sure it was used elsewhere. I think placing a greater focus on monster strengths/weaknesses would do more to dissuade people from blindly throwing BLUs at everything, i.e. you won't bring BLUs to fight something that's strong to slashing damage if THFs and RNGs can make shorter work of it.

The dev team's been slow to address the balance issue, but it has been happening and the impact is unmistakable. We have an easier time using melee jobs since the AGI/eva, VIT/def and the AoE changes were put in place. Hopefully they can keep moving in this direction without the need to nerf any jobs.

[detlef]

I don't get it. Aren't WAR and DRK the best in high buff situations on difficult content? Aren't THF and DNC still exceptionally powerful right now? Aren't RNG and COR still the go-to jobs for certain fights? And isn't SCH-BLM the preferred strategy for the hard stuff anyway?

Perhaps it would be easier to give MNK a big buff while considering some smaller buffs for DRG and BST (maybe a some other jobs but these come to mind).

[Jakuk]

I don't get it. Aren't WAR and DRK the best in high buff situations on difficult content? Aren't THF and DNC still exceptionally powerful right now? Aren't RNG and COR still the go-to jobs for certain fights? And isn't SCH-BLM the preferred strategy for the hard stuff anyway?

Perhaps it would be easier to give MNK a big buff while considering some smaller buffs for DRG and BST (maybe a some other jobs but these come to mind).

Perhaps but since BLU can self-cap Haste while having better defense (through traits and buffs) then those jobs while also allowing the GEO to cast superior buffs resulting in a far more efficient party with the result blocking out others jobs due to being less efficient unless:

A. A party can't find anymore BLU's
B. You are part of a linkshell that will allow you to come as anything but the bandwagon job
C. You solo

Also BST doesn't need a buff, they're still as powerful as they were, the only different the "nerf" done was add some danger to the method where there was none before.

Sad thing is most of the players know BLU is OP but they refuse to accept it and argue that this isn't the case because they either A. Use this job or B. Take advantage of it's OP state to advance in this game.

[Afania]

Your mistake is drawing a line in the sand and saying it's a case of us vs. you while hiding under the pretense of game balance when that's not what you're calling for here at all. Your choice of words seem to demonstrate an anger towards this one job and, for whatever reason, the people who play it. Nerfing BLU isn't going to get the masses to stop choosing GEO over BRD and RDM or choosing SCHs, BLMs and just about any other job over RNG and MNK.

Exactly which choice of words seems to demonstrate anger towards this one job in this thread, or people who plays BLU? Could you quote them? Because I'm not seeing many.

If anything it's the disrespectful and rude people that repeatedly used "You suck, PUG suck, you don't play BLU" in a dps discussion that made me sound defensive, or angry, or any emotion that you described. In that case it's not direct toward BLU player, but rather because the disrespectful people in the discussion.

If you run on the street and tell them "you suck", you can't expect them to give you reply that's not defensive, no? This is basically what you did atm.

A lot of people seems to think I'm yelling for BLU nerf because everyone shout for BLU onry, so I just follow the flow and joined bandwagon mindset, and proceed to yell for nerf. That isn't the case at all.

Back when MNK dominated the shout scene, and people yell to buff other jobs, I actually defended for other job's DPS capability v.s MNK. I'm not that kind of person that you think I am, that'd join the bandwagon and yell nerf FOTM job all day and everyday.

I also agree that in FFXI history, people have been yelling for nerf, or bandwagon other certain jobs, due to the lack of understanding of game. But that doesn't mean everyone who currently saying MG needs an adjustment are yelling for nerf due to bandwagon mindset.

So when people questioned pro-nerf player's motivation, or hinted that anyone supporting a nerf has "bandwagon mindset"(whatever that is), I find it very disrespectful. I wouldn't mind if you DISAGREE with the opinion, but hinting pro nerf people has "bandwagon mind set" "you don't play BLU" or "You suck, PUG suck" does nothing in the discussion except fuel the fire with oil.

[Afania]

I don't get it. Aren't WAR and DRK the best in high buff situations on difficult content? Aren't THF and DNC still exceptionally powerful right now? Aren't RNG and COR still the go-to jobs for certain fights? And isn't SCH-BLM the preferred strategy for the hard stuff anyway?

Perhaps it would be easier to give MNK a big buff while considering some smaller buffs for DRG and BST (maybe a some other jobs but these come to mind).

People keep saying WAR and DRK is the best DD but I'm not seeing any evidence. I DO have several parse result with WAR winning pars and suggested WAR being the top DPS, but it doesn't prove anything due to every NM/buff are different and player has different gear different.

So I'd rather believe in spreadsheet result, WAR and BLU are on the same level in terms of pure DPS. Depending on buffs, situations, gears etc one job may out DPS another. But it's not like 75 era that a BLU pretty much needed to massively outgear a SAM to win parse.

SCH, BLM, COR, RNG aren't melee jobs, nor preferred job when melee is preferred. Leave SCH BLM COR RNG out of discussion please, as they're not relevant in a melee DPS balance discussion.

[Vae]

So the thing people are getting confused or totally ignoring, is the fact that superbuffed parties, WAR/DRK are insane-o-crazy. There's a REASON bandwagnarok became a thing, and is again now, resolution is incredibly strong, and STP sets/DA/TA sets are better than ever. BUT they REQUIRE a hasteII and who does that hasteII... BLU. Because it's better to use a BLU than to waste a slot on a RDM.

BLU is really strong with only self buffs, too strong in fact. BLU + GEO can solo more than 95% of the entire game. Granted, a PUP BST SMN can too, but that's what they're SUPPOSED to do.

You won't see a THF + GEO or WAR + GEO soloing(duoing) content, why? Because haste II. Because MG. Because self buffs are too good. Traits are too good. Versatility is too high. Survival is too high.

That's not to say you CAN'T do content any other way. But it's obvious to anyone with a brainstem blu is too good.

When we were all taking sch to embrava. You nerfed embrava.
When we were all taking smn to alex. You nerfed Perfect Defense.
When we were buff locking cor rolls. You nerfed buffs wearing.
When we were ALL war. you Nerfed Ukko's.
When we were ALL mnk. you nerfed Smite.
When we were ALL thf. You nerfed rudra's.
When we were ALL bst. You nerfed range.
WE'RE ALL BLU. (for low man and 95% of the game) Nerf hammer. is not optional.
The TOP 5% that matters, is all immanence and death btw, thats OP as shit too.

[Immortta]

Um you do realize that trusts can caste Haste II right in your scenario of duoing/soloing content? *roll eyes*

I guess when we're all GEO for every single fight in the game it doesn't matter
I guess when we're all mage strats for 90% of end game for years it doesn't matter

I'm not gonna throw all the jobs under the bus atm, but there are quite a few that do very well nowdays and not just BLU.

[Immortta]

People keep saying WAR and DRK is the best DD but I'm not seeing any evidence. I DO have several parse result with WAR winning pars and suggested WAR being the top DPS, but it doesn't prove anything due to every NM/buff are different and player has different gear different.

So I'd rather believe in spreadsheet result, WAR and BLU are on the same level in terms of pure DPS. Depending on buffs, situations, gears etc one job may out DPS another. But it's not like 75 era that a BLU pretty much needed to massively outgear a SAM to win parse.

SCH, BLM, COR, RNG aren't melee jobs, nor preferred job when melee is preferred. Leave SCH BLM COR RNG out of discussion please, as they're not relevant in a melee DPS balance discussion.

You can't just cherry pick jobs that you find are relevant. There is not "melee only" when doing balance in a discussion, its overall balance among jobs in this game.