BLU Balance

[Afania]

I said natural DW. Cor is not one of those jobs with natural DW. You have to sub NIN.

Also if I remember correctly THF only has DW3 as well, it's still the same deal unless I'm missing something.

[Stamos]

You're missing the gift from THF JPs.

I meant from an attack perspective, not a defensive perspective. Anything harder you are bringing a tank(run or pld). You missed my point earlier, when I said if they are going to nerf something make it CDC to reduce BLUs dmg, or remove the defensive abilities of MG.

[Afania]

I meant from an attack perspective, not a defensive perspective. Anything harder you are bringing a tank(run or pld). You missed my point earlier, when I said if they are going to nerf something make it CDC to reduce BLUs dmg, or remove the defensive abilities of MG.

The extra GEO bubble that you gain can be used to enhance the attack and defensive aspect of the pt. If you can maintain the bonus of MG with just 1 BLU I probably won't say a thing, but no you need 2 to take advantage of it. Which DD benefits punishes people for not inviting 2 of the same job?

Tank isn't always ideal in a double melee setup. It's not used in UNM 135 fights, and it's not used in GS master trial.

[OmnysValefor]

To be honest, my LS still isn't bringing melee to WoC/Kirin/Reisen HELM. I'm on a tank (which I prefer to be) so I'm not sure where my BLU would rank up there (I don't yet have an RMEA for BLU, finished Tiz 75 yesterday). SE has made efforts to make standing near the boss and hitting the boss feasible for appropriately geared melee (which is great), but mages are still preferable.

I've seen enough videos and trusted testimonials of melee clears to know that some LS's do, but it's largely because all there members have best-in-slot gear. People are their 5th Aeonic can do that, most ls's can't.

Point being as you stated, they lack, hence are hindered, also they are SEVERELY hindered by anything with Full Dispel (Which is most everything), whereas BLU is not hindered by anything.

Store TP V, Triple Attack, Acc Bonus IV, DW III, Skillchain Bonus III, Critical Attack Bonus III, Natures Meditation (for crazy attack), Tenebral Crush (for defense down),

If anyone is curious, all that and Erratic Flutter (Haste II) costs 76 points. It means you get 1-2 utility spells. Options are say Occultation/Wild Carrot, Magic Fruit/Cocoon, Barrier Tusk/Cocoon (but then, no cures), Barrier Tusk/Wild Carrot or a short list of others that include things like Saline Coat (which should be frequently recast for good effectieness), and Diamondhide (which really isn't that hot of a spell anymore). If you take Erratic Flutter from the base list and depend on Koru-Moru, you have 6 more points. In that scenario I'd probably Magic Fruit / Occultation / (Saline Coat or Barrier Tusk) .

I know a lot of people look at that and think "Boy if only my warrior had all that", but for this fluidity, BLU gets no any offensive ability besides CA/BA and Efflux. Tenebral Crush is nice when you can stick it, but my top-notch m.acc set on BLU has enough problems landing it on a lot of high end content, unlike Dia II and Frailty.

If it's a situation like gnole last month, or another NM that absolutely is not a threat to anyone but the tanks, and the DD can go all out, equivalently geared DD are going to outperform me, as they probably will in most content.

I think the only trait that was unfair was Acc Bonus, and that's been largely corrected thanks to the AGI nerfs.

[Afania]

To be honest, my LS still isn't bringing melee to WoC/Kirin/Reisen HELM. I'm on a tank (which I prefer to be) so I'm not sure where my BLU would rank up there (I don't yet have an RMEA for BLU, finished Tiz 75 yesterday).

I personally prefer WAR for WoC a bit more, and THF for teles. Would say both NM doesn't favor BLU due to their mechanics. Idk about other NMs though.

I'd recommend aeonic BRD access for meleeing those content, it's pretty tough to have good enough acc with a decent TP/WS set without honor march if you're playing some of the lower acc jobs(aka notBLU DNC DRG RNG). I didn't start making melee pts until some of my close friend got aeonic on BRD.

[Shiyo]

Bottom line:
A job shouldn't be a tank that can buff itself more than a single buffer can while doing the highest damage and having aoe erase + aoe cures.

That's called god mode game shark cheat.

[Diavolo]

Bottom line:
A job shouldn't be a tank that can buff itself more than a single buffer can while doing the highest damage and having aoe erase + aoe cures.

That's called god mode game shark cheat.

They're insanely tanky DD's which is a huge problem since they also DO THE HIGHEST DPS.

The job does too much and has no weakness.

[OmnysValefor]

It can't.

Holy wow. A BLU will not be tanking and simultaneously the highest DPS in anything relevant. BLU's also probably won't be tanking serious stuff. I know I'd never try to tank Koryu on BLU.

This is called uninformed people mishmashing everything they've seen BLUs do in a variety of content. If a BLU is tanking and beating everyone else on DPS, everyone else really really really needs to work on their gear.

[Shiyo]

You misunderstood what I'm saying just so you could throw out baseless insults.
A full DD blu has barrier tusk/cocoon/mg up, that makes them tankier than any DD in the game.
They're insanely tanky DD's which is a huge problem since they also DO THE HIGHEST DPS.

[OmnysValefor]

I'm not trying to insult anyone, but there are a lot of people in this thread that don't understand the job. I asked the OP to name what BLU gives up for survival and heck, that person seems to have bowed out of their own thread. You don't just tank in cocoon and MG, you'll still get wrecked.

And you did say "while", meaning "at the same time".

I understand, you'll continue on and on about everything BLU can do. Few people (Afania being one) in this thread seem to have a reasonable understanding of what the job can actually do.

I don't know, I don't ask for nerfs to jobs I don't understand. It seems wrong.