We need more Agi on Ninja Empyrean Gear

[hordecore]

we have more DEX on it than AGI what gives? our blade:Hi Depends on AGI

[wish12oz]

Gear swap? suck less at ninja? Know that agl isnt all that useful for tping, which af3 is primarily for, but dex increases acc and crit rate, give it more dex and less agl if anything IMO.

EDIT: In fact, only the gloves and body are useful for hi, and only outside abyssea, inside loki's and seiryus are better, why are you asking for an upgrade to gear for a purpose its not meant for? Thats like asking for divine magic skill on a katana or something, just go away and quit with the troll ninja topics.

[Rambus]

we have more DEX on it than AGI what gives? our blade:Hi Depends on AGI

Sorry I am confused, are you trying to be funny or do not understand how things work?

I was just talking about this with a friend how to gear for ws, I think i understand now why I see remarks like "most blade HI users suck or "wow a blade hi user that does damage"

You do NOT use secondary mod for WS gear, it is mostly str, attack ( if huge amount), and DEX if it is crt.
so blade HI is a combo of STR, attack ( only high amounts but abyssea changes the rules if you can get attacked capped or not) and DEX. I do not know how much dex is needed to cap inside abyssea but that is the general idea.

some WS are more attack heavy then others to get the full potential of said WS.

IF THF it is mostly DEX on SA, IF thf +1 af hands ( not emp) AGI gear may be ok on TA

[Greatguardian]

Sorry I am confused, are you trying to be funny or do not understand how things work?

I was just talking about this with a friend how to gear for ws, I think i understand now why I see remarks like "most blade HI users suck or "wow a blade hi user that does damage"

You do NOT use secondary mod for WS gear, it is mostly str, attack ( if huge amount), and DEX if it is crt.
so blade HI is a combo of STR, attack ( only high amounts but abyssea changes the rules if you can get attacked capped or not) and DEX. I do not know how much dex is needed to cap inside abyssea but that is the general idea.

some WS are more attack heavy then others to get the full potential of said WS.

IF THF it is mostly DEX on SA, IF thf +1 af hands ( not emp) AGI gear may be ok on TA

No.

Blade: Hi is a 60% AGI WS with no secondary mods. Inside Abyssea, dDex and fStr are capped from the get-go. STR and DEX are both a total waste. AGI and Attack are the only relevant stats inside Abyssea for Blade: Hi.

That said, +1 to everything Wish12oz said.

[Rambus]

No.

Blade: Hi is a 60% AGI WS with no secondary mods. Inside Abyssea, dDex and fStr are capped from the get-go. STR and DEX are both a total waste. AGI and Attack are the only relevant stats inside Abyssea for Blade: Hi.

That said, +1 to everything Wish12oz said.

note where i said I dont know for in abyssea, why do people assume abyssea only???

not all ws are easy cap just of cour buffs I do not memorize every ws.

60% is the secondary mod, you rarely account for secondary mods.

I also think is is wrong to say "no" when not everything i said was wrong. I think it is right for the most part if you do not assume I am talking about only abyssea.

[rog]

lol

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[wish12oz]

note where i said I dont know for in abyssea, why do people assume abyssea only???

not all ws are easy cap just of cour buffs I do not memorize every ws.

60% is the secondary mod, you rarely account for secondary mods.

Outside abyssea?
For best performance outside abyssea, you need to cap crit rate from dex, (oh look all that dex is useful).
+Crit rate is amazing, since the WS is only good if it crits.
If you want to talk about using STR instead of AGL, thats easy. fSTR basically makes STR function as a 30% modifier for WS's until you cap it(it increases fSTR and attack by increasing STR.) AGL is a 60% modifier for blade hi, so you need 2 str = 1 agl. So if an item has twice the STR compaired to the highest AGL availible(or more), the STR piece is better, otherwise its not.

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[Greatguardian]

note where i said I dont know for in abyssea, why do people assume abyssea only???

not all ws are easy cap just of cour buffs I do not memorize every ws.

60% is the secondary mod, you rarely account for secondary mods.

Eh? Since when is the only mod a secondary mod? WSC is based on AGI and AGI alone. It is the primary mod. There is no other mod to WSC. fStr will affect damage. dDex will affect Crit rate. pDif will affect damage. But these are not WS mods. They are the same fStr, dDex, and pDif that coincide with melee hits.

fSTR and dDEX are almost always going to be capped with Razed Ruins and Cruor buffs anyways. Those should be a non-issue on nearly every WS inside Abyssea. The only possible exception would be in the form of high damage 2H weapons potentially being uncapped in fStr. However, this tends to become a moot point since most 2-handers use VV, and/or have STR as a mod to their WS anyways.

Also, you're the one who barged into this thread attacking the use of AGI in a Blade: Hi set. Your post demonstrated absolutely no real understanding of WS mechanics, all while attempting to correct someone. I am not defending to OP. But I am going to call you out if you make grossly incorrect statements with no regard to context. If you say "NEVER use AGI for Blade: Hi, you want to use STR and Attack and DEX. This is why people think Kannagi NINs suck so much," the opus is on you to either qualify your claims from the start with relevant context, defend your original position, or admit a mistake. Using AGI for Blade: Hi is correct anywhere inside Abyssea, which is where all of the difficult monsters are right now. fStr and dDex are not overly difficult to cap outside Abyssea either, in which case AGI still remains very important. Heck, in equal amounts, AGI is still twice as good as STR outside Abyssea even without capped fStr.

Edit: Beaten sorta

[wish12oz]

Edit: Beaten sorta

But you said it so much nicer and included stuff I didn't!

[Rambus]

Sorry for being more harsh needed to be but people tend to over importance on secondary mods.

like all they worry about the mod without caping other things.

also it seems like people say it is easy cap this or that and it is harder then people project. like there is missing detail like food or if you are maxed in cour bonus or something.