Job points has ruined one of the foundations of this game

[Olor]

It will take a while to get a decent amount if you solo or are not doing it the "efficient" way, but you'll see more appealing numbers by getting CP Bonuses available outside Job gifts. And people usually get Job Master stars because they devote most of their time in-game to CPing. They usually have all their CP Bonuses capped in order to ease the grind. If you complain about JP when you haven't gotten at least some of the bonuses, your complaint can't be taken seriously. It just sounds lazy.

I've gotten lots of the bonuses (all the rieves, wildskeeper, ROV, Zilart) but it is complete and total BS to pretend that spending 100 hours bored out of your mind, soloing cut scenes and fights tuned for level 60-75 characters is not "a grind" - it is. Saying "oh do this thing and CP is less of a grind" while ignoring that "this thing" is itself a grind is asinine.

All I am asking for is for REAL CONTENT to get a CP boost. I don't play often enough to want to mindlessly grind pointless mobs. Give me more CP for doing things like ambuscade, killing NMs etc. I don't actually think that is a lot to ask.

And I am working on my missions but they make me want to rage quit the game because I don't like spending hours walking between cut scenes, it is super boring so I have to break up missions with other things. It's not a character flaw to prefer different things in video games - nor is it unreasonable to question WHY CP gains are locked behind mission progress anyway - other than to put newer/returning players even further behind established players - as well as punishing people who don't really like soloing boring old missions with ridiculous gating.

Sorry, I just don't find running to a place and standing around waiting for night to fall is that fun. Nor do I find it fun to wander around in places with bad maps looking for harvest points. ETC ETC.

[Rydal]

I've gotten lots of the bonuses (all the rieves, wildskeeper, ROV, Zilart) but it is complete and total BS to pretend that spending 100 hours bored out of your mind, soloing cut scenes and fights tuned for level 60-75 characters is not "a grind" - it is. Saying "oh do this thing and CP is less of a grind" while ignoring that "this thing" is itself a grind is asinine.

All I am asking for is for REAL CONTENT to get a CP boost. I don't play often enough to want to mindlessly grind pointless mobs. Give me more CP for doing things like ambuscade, killing NMs etc. I don't actually think that is a lot to ask.

And I am working on my missions but they make me want to rage quit the game because I don't like spending hours walking between cut scenes, it is super boring so I have to break up missions with other things. It's not a character flaw to prefer different things in video games - nor is it unreasonable to question WHY CP gains are locked behind mission progress anyway - other than to put newer/returning players even further behind established players - as well as punishing people who don't really like soloing boring old missions with ridiculous gating.

Sorry, I just don't find running to a place and standing around waiting for night to fall is that fun. Nor do I find it fun to wander around in places with bad maps looking for harvest points. ETC ETC.

Old missions are boring but I think of it as a way to reward people to do old content. Why else would a new player do Wings of the Goddess besides an earring and summon they don't really need? Why would anyone do Treasures of Aht Urghan? Rise of Zilart? Reives? And just to go back to the math, RoV ch 3 KIs are 90% CP Bonus together. That's equal to doing all the story missions. If you hate story missions, you can skip them all and just complete RoV. New content! I personally don't find any of the stories to be that bad, besides Wings of the Goddess. I loved RoZ. CoP was longer (admittedly annoying for a few missions) but overall not that bad. Think of it this way, you just have to do it once and put it behind you.

Ambuscade and other relevant content SHOULD give more CP (at least enough for a JP per fight). That's not what this discussion was about at all. Even still, with the bonuses you'd still get more bang for your buck so you'd be losing CP by not getting them.

Also, you're completely exaggerating with 100 hours. Rise of Zilart can be done in one day (maybe like 8-10 hours) at 99 (in sparks gear). That's less than a week if you dedicate 2 hours a day to the missions. Treasures of Aht urghan is about the same length of time if you ignore the JP midnight waits. Mounts have made doing old stuff easier with the walking. FFXI is not a fast game. At least story missions can be solo'd and done very quickly now. Imagine if they offered the bonuses with JP midnights and level capping and no trusts/forced parties.

[Zeldar]

You may be surprised Olor, but I would think the majority of us ENJOY the mission story lines. Sure, everyone feels differently. Some adore Shantotto. Me...I would love to see her eaten by a malboro. The point is, this is first and foremost a Final Fantasy game. Final Fantasy is about story and lore. They have always been complex games with complex stories, and most of us love that. I am not calling you a non-fan or anything if you don't like that aspect of the game. I don't have a problem with that at all. Just don't call a core part of the game not "real content".

[Rooj]

If you don't enjoy the storylines and cutscenes.................. WHY are you playing FINAL FANTASY?

[detlef]

I never said anyone here was a terrible player for thinking JP grinding is a huge grind. I have an issue with people saying JP is a huge grind but not helping themselves by making the grind easier with CP Bonuses AND saying the CP Bonuses are a huge grind. JP is a huge grind. That's a given. But there are ways to change 100 CP into 1500 CP on the same mob with no job gifts doing soloable and usually non-99 content. I am chastising someone who says that finishing Rise of Zilart is a huge grind or completing 2 Lair reives in Ceizak Battlegrounds is a huge grind or feeding a Rabbit or Uragnite once a day is a huge grind. People make JP an issue when it really isn't.

It will take a while to get a decent amount if you solo or are not doing it the "efficient" way, but you'll see more appealing numbers by getting CP Bonuses available outside Job gifts. And people usually get Job Master stars because they devote most of their time in-game to CPing. They usually have all their CP Bonuses capped in order to ease the grind. If you complain about JP when you haven't gotten at least some of the bonuses, your complaint can't be taken seriously. It just sounds lazy.

I agree that players should make every effort to pursue and earn these bonuses (I personally think every player should complete every single mission just for the experience alone). Obviously, CP rates are abysmal without these bonuses, but I was under the impression that the complaint was that JP was too grindy even with these bonuses. I may have missed it if that point was already discussed.

CP grinding is about dedication and patience, not luck (like a D. ring is). You can't call someone a bad player because of bad luck. If you want to be better at your job, you get JP. I don't think it was meant to be easy and thankfully, Square made it easier as you go along, not harder, which is the opposite of the EXP system. They could have easily made it get harder and harder as you go up.

I’m not entirely certain JP gets that much easier. The CP rates and the gifts definitely improve but the cost of each upgrade increases and gifts are spaced further apart. It might be a wash.

Considering how easy it is to acquire Savory Shanks these days, a case can be made that farming a Dring is not as luck-based anymore and is more about grinding and dedication. My point was just the attitude we have as a playerbase sometimes where we can complain about one thing that another person is fine with while telling other players to stop complaining when the situation is reversed. I’m sure if I checked my post history I’d definitely be guilty of this. In this case I just think JP is a little more annoying than it should be.

[Zeldar]

If you recall, when job points first came out there were no boosts. We complained that it was too grindy, so they added all these bonuses and apex mobs. So thank you for making JP soooo very much easier than they used to be. Sorry that it still isn't enough for some players. I've found that you just can't satisfy some people.

[Stompa]

Jobmaster took me ages, and I loved the slow journey.
Stompa.

[Rydal]

I’m not entirely certain JP gets that much easier. The CP rates and the gifts definitely improve but the cost of each upgrade increases and gifts are spaced further apart. It might be a wash.

As someone that hates the thought of grinding, the jump from 1200 to 2100 is so fast that you won't notice. During the last CP campaign, my RDM sat at about 800 JP at the start. Two days of Apex grinding got me to about 1200ish. I thought that was all I could do. The third day I went from 1200 to 1500 in one run (about an hour), then 1500 to 1800 in the next hour after a break. It was getting late so I figured I had the whole weekend to finish the last 300. The party decided to try pushing out a little more. I ended up being 11 JP over 2100 by the time I gave up. 900 JP in 3 hours. Not the most efficient party either (I was irritated because a SCH was in the party at one point and he didn't do anything but mess up the SCs so he was literally leeching). Past the last CP bonus gift, I was getting 2 JP per mob without a ring active.

I get your point about the complaining thing. Everyone has their own opinions and experiences, likes and dislikes. I will just say unless you get all the bonuses and rings and trusts, etc, you haven't reached the full potential of CPing and the complaints are there without having the entire experience. That's like someone complaining that the D. ring drop rate sucks but they are only using beastly shanks in order to get savories instead of just getting both and using the behemoth suit and buying both shanks from bazaars. One person is using one (bad) method while they could be exhausting all the tools given to them. Either way, D. ring is still luck based. JP literally gets easier as you go along and you are rewarded better for it.

Edit: Stompa is the best person on this forum. Stompa for president.

[Rooj]

The "What's The Big Hurry"

Preach it sister. \o/

[Zeldar]

As a little sidenote, the freshly picked says we get another campaign in August.