Job points has ruined one of the foundations of this game

[Olor]

Not really seeing ~100 JP an hour for ~21 hours an "extreme" grind.

Most players are not getting that, most jobs are not welcome in content that gives anything close to that, ever

Have you gone over the posts explaining all the CP bonuses? Finished Rhapsodies? Done reives? Done story missions and completed the RoE's? I legit grinded by THF to master over a month or so just killing 30-40 mosquitoes at a time using two trizek charges a couple times a day. That was skipping Apex parties entirely.

Again, all of the things to even get CP bonuses are a huge grind. Making JP such a necessary thing for content is basically telling all new/returning players:

"Please solo grind for 1000 hours before considering participating in group content."

[Rydal]

Most players are not getting that, most jobs are not welcome in content that gives anything close to that, ever

That's not true. Apex parties can be done in a mage or melee only set up. As long as your job can either successfully contribute in a SC and/or MB and/or support this set up, then it can be in the party. That's literally every job.

SC: any melee job or SCH
MB: BLM RDM SCH GEO SMN
Support: tanks (PLD RUN PUP), buffers (GEO, COR, BRD, RDM), other support (RDM, GEO, SCH, SMN, PUP)

Make your own party. Test the set up. If full melee, you should probably bring jobs that SC light or darkness together easily. Make sure you can hit

Again, all of the things to even get CP bonuses are a huge grind. Making JP such a necessary thing for content is basically telling all new/returning players:

"Please solo grind for 1000 hours before considering participating in group content."

Again not true. How is completing 2 Lair reives and/or Colonization reives per zone a huge grind? How is completing a Wildskeeper Reive once a huge grind? How is reachign rank 10 in a nation or completing a storyline a huge grind? How is changing your unity a huge grind? Summoning a trust? Having a COR in your party or subbing COR? Raising a monster in your Mog Garden? Buying a cape in the AH? I didn't even remember the Moghancement: Bounty CP Bonus. That's just hanging up a clock in your Mog House! A clock SE gave to us for free, and in unlimited quantities just a few months ago! You should be doing all this stuff anyway. If you can't solo this stuff, you shouldn't be concerned with JP.

[Rooj]

Most players are not getting that, most jobs are not welcome in content that gives anything close to that, ever

You are so terribly wrong about this. I have seen 100% of the jobs in this game perform their functions just fine in Apex parties. IF you need help understanding how to play in an Apex party, please just ask.

[Eaglestrike]

Haha, this thread. When JP first came out there was basically no good camp. We would fight T-VT bats on map 2, getting like 5 JP an hour or something absurdly low, and did that all the way through to 550 or 1200, I forget which cap did. Then on my THF I did the whole 1200 to 2100 JP just farming other stuff. I'd go clear RoE's in reisenjima, farm torques in Escha-Ru'aun, or farm merits for merit fights, while burning my Trizek ring (use it, come back 2 hours later and get two uses in one go) and that's how my THF capped JP. I think I got COR and RUN capped in two Apex parties each (from 1200, all done farming in Woh/Sih Gates map 2 originally). I have LS mates that claim to be doing 400~ JP an hour.

JP are not "essential" to do other content. And if it's a slow grind to you, you have lots of other things you can be doing so as to not grind JP as your only option. You can go work on vorseals, on ultimate weapons, on some gear, etc. Don't focus on only one thing at a time and it'll all be a lot easier to handle. The only time you "need" JP's are progression content, which is usually only a few fights at any period of time. But even then it's not always needed, I made a static recently and I'm the only person with Master, three of the people are brand new(characters made within the last month or two), and we clear Ru'aun t3's, Reisenjima t2's, etc. even still.

One of the foundations of this game is grind, always has been. JP's are not even close to the worst grind in the game, and are something you can get in a variety of places, a variety of ways, and are faster now than the first year or so they had been out. So no, JP's are NOT ruining any foundation of this game. They're an example of it.

[Castanica]

Haha, this thread. When JP first came out there was basically no good camp. We would fight T-VT bats on map 2, getting like 5 JP an hour or something absurdly low, and did that all the way through to 550 or 1200, I forget which cap did. Then on my THF I did the whole 1200 to 2100 JP just farming other stuff. I'd go clear RoE's in reisenjima, farm torques in Escha-Ru'aun, or farm merits for merit fights, while burning my Trizek ring (use it, come back 2 hours later and get two uses in one go) and that's how my THF capped JP. I think I got COR and RUN capped in two Apex parties each (from 1200, all done farming in Woh/Sih Gates map 2 originally). I have LS mates that claim to be doing 400~ JP an hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

[Rydal]

The first 200ish points are the hardest grind. After that, you should have enough CP bonus gifts to start seeing a big pick up in points. The first 200ish points can be solo'd without fighting very powerful monsters. Marjami Ravine, non-Apex mobs in the Gates zones, Escha zones, and Reisenjima all have soloable CP monsters that are not even difficult. If you can't hit the mobs, it's your gear that's an issue, not your JP. You can plow through the first 300 JP solo in a few weeks; sooner if you have the following:

-CP Bonus from Records of Eminence by completing all the story missions (up to +90%)
-CP Bonus from completing all the Rhapsody KIs in Rhapsodies of Vana'diel Ch 3 (up to +90%)
-CP Bonus from Records of Eminence by completing all the Reive Content quests (up to +56%)
-CP Bonus from Capacity, Trizek, or Facility ring (+50%, +150%, or +150%)
-CP Bonus from craftable capes or Incursion capes (craftable NQ +25%, craftable HQ +30%, Incursion +1-50%)
-CP Bonus from Kupofried (+10%)
-CP Bonus from Corsair's Roll (+8-24%)
-CP Bonus from Monster Rearing Cheer (+1-9%)
-CP Bonus from Unity rank (+1-20% I believe)

All of these bonuses stack per bullet. These alone make CP extremely easy to get solo, especially during a CP campaign. They are not an extreme grind. If you're getting very low CP, you need to clear more content before starting the grind.

If it takes you more than an hour to get 10-15 JP even zero JP, you need to focus on the list I provided before you start to complain about the grind.

[Castanica]

There is a reason the vast majority of people who come back to this game are gone in a month or two.

[Eaglestrike]

There is a reason the vast majority of people who come back to this game are gone in a month or two.

Because the game is essentially in dead mode and there's almost no new content to look forward to aside from progressing through content that's already getting old to the current crop of players?

Not seeing how that's a JP issue.

I earned my JP and gear over the course of YEARS. You're demanding it happens in a couple hours.

[Castanica]

Because the game is essentially in dead mode and there's almost no new content to look forward to aside from progressing through content that's already getting old to the current crop of players?

Not seeing how that's a JP issue.

I earned my JP and gear over the course of YEARS. You're demanding it happens in a couple hours.

No it's because the grinds are monstrous and nobody will help with anything unless there is money handed over, you don't know how awful this game is right now because you did it back when everyone was on the same footing.

Asura is the biggest server, new people join it every single day. You know how many people are on the server today compared to when I came back 7-8 months ago? Pretty much the same amount, the quitting rate is extremely high. the grind scale in this game is 1,2,2,2, 1000, 1000, 1000, quit.

[Eaglestrike]

No it's because the grinds are monstrous and nobody will help with anything unless there is money handed over, you don't know how awful this game is right now this because you did it back when everyone was on the same footing.

This game is at the easiest it has ever been to "get back into" aside from maybe the launch of SoA. Rhapsodies made so much grinding a ton easier, alluvion skirmish gear can be solo'd to get some of the BiS end of SoA gear, and you can use that to grind out until you can clear Escha.

Fact of the matter is if you can't kill things it's not because of the JP grind, it's because you're unwilling to take the steps to better your gear over the correct process.

Asura is the biggest server, new people join it every single day. You know how many people are on the server today compared to when I came back 7-8 months ago? Pretty much the same amount, the quitting rate is extremely high. the grind in this game is 1,2,2,2, 1000, 1000, 1000, quit.

Why do you assume everyone quitting is new? Some of the biggest players have quit (Cbbs for example) as well, since you can actually "beat" the game since we know it's all basically over.