New Head/Frame

[Jakuk]

That's not what they're saying though. >.>, if it's in part due to the idea that they'd have to create new tools, I'm saying they're already out there, if it's the actual manpower of creating the models/animations, well perhaps that's something that can be discussed with the community about what they'd rather have with the limited dev time we have available. Either way, I think we should have an honest discussion about it.

Also, I'm absolutely SURE the community would be happy to submit user-created models, animations, and skins, which would save dev time and they could simply handle the side of things they're already handling now, that's how a few games create content, Trove comes to mind.

They're a business, they can't just use community submitted creations, or tools. It'd open them up to lawsuits.

[Selindrile]

They're a business, they can't just use community submitted creations, or tools. It'd open them up to lawsuits.

You mean like the shield model they already made from a user-submitted skin? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/fo...Design-Contest
Or the multitude of other games that do exactly that on the regular? Such as Trove, Second Life, Neverwinter, Everquest2, Star Trek Online, City of Heroes?

[xiozen]

That's not what they're saying though. >.>, if it's in part due to the idea that they'd have to create new tools, I'm saying they're already out there, if it's the actual manpower of creating the models/animations, well perhaps that's something that can be discussed with the community about what they'd rather have with the limited dev time we have available. Either way, I think we should have an honest discussion about it.

I think this portion of the response is spot-on. I agree 100%. My original post, which was responded to by Sicycre [much appreciated], addressed the issue about not adding "new head/frame options for the automatons" as it relates to " new designs"...my point is really providing the PUP job with a "new" (new meaning concept associated with job type) based on support in the same vein as a bard or geomancer...

If we consider the fact that the assets used for a bard or geomancer in accordance with their functions are pre-existing, adding the requested modification to PUP (an adjustable automaton with access to these assets) would be an enhancement to an already customizable job... The automaton can perform the functions of "BLM", "WHM", "RDM", "PLD", "RNG", "WAR"...has access to "blink" similar to shadows of NIN... etc. all through various attachments.

The answer to this Sicycre is not a new head/frame combination as originally requested (existing head/frame can be used..heck, gives a new use for possible harlequin usage...) but "new" attachments that USE EXISTING ASSETS for Bard or Geomancer to provide support.

Please consider it.

[Zeargi]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post540422

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post540472

This seems relevant to what I drew 2 years ago.

Maybe one day, I keep true with my SAM and BRD designs

[Dzspdref]

Here's a possible suggestion/option to develop for PUP automatons::
1. Make a series of quests for PUPs (restrictions to begin might be like "must be lv.99", or already have all other head/body frames, etc...) that allow it to get a +1 version of the now-existing frames/heads re-using the graphics for them, but just raising elemental capacity or giving +stats to them as the HQ bonuses, as how we got Abyssea nq/+1/+2/reforged items; they reused same graphics, just added stats.
2. Make a separate quest for each head and frame (10 total?) for those people that might use mage robots, but rarely use PLD or RNG, etc... so people can be selective.
... just a thought...

[Nyarlko]

Here's a possible suggestion/option to develop for PUP automatons::
1. Make a series of quests for PUPs (restrictions to begin might be like "must be lv.99", or already have all other head/body frames, etc...) that allow it to get a +1 version of the now-existing frames/heads re-using the graphics for them, but just raising elemental capacity or giving +stats to them as the HQ bonuses, as how we got Abyssea nq/+1/+2/reforged items; they reused same graphics, just added stats.
2. Make a separate quest for each head and frame (10 total?) for those people that might use mage robots, but rarely use PLD or RNG, etc... so people can be selective.
... just a thought...

I like this. ^^ It's something that is possible to do, so it's something worth asking for. And quests would probably be the best way to justify the additions. Maybe instead of reforges though (since there might be balance concerns w/ straight stat buffs to existing parts or AI behavior replacements,) they are still same graphics but new items. This would allow for new AI routines/priorities without losing anything we currently have access to, and HQ versions would also justify adding some smaller stat/capacity bonuses.

[xiozen]

I like this. ^^ It's something that is possible to do, so it's something worth asking for. And quests would probably be the best way to justify the additions. Maybe instead of reforges though (since there might be balance concerns w/ straight stat buffs to existing parts or AI behavior replacements,) they are still same graphics but new items. This would allow for new AI routines/priorities without losing anything we currently have access to, and HQ versions would also justify adding some smaller stat/capacity bonuses.

I concur. Can't see this being an issue related to lacking resources or concerns about adding "new graphics" ect... With the addition of Omen, I believe adding a "must be lvl. 99" requirement to begin this type of upgrade process based on automaton head/frames +1's would be AWESOME...and retied to the initial questing givers in Aht Urhgan...or even Nashamu.

[Songen]

once a user submits a entry for a design for a game, due to how most submittions are or competitions are, alot of companys when they take the idea take the legal rights to the idea too. you submitting it, however your submitting it for free with the rights of the idea being given to the company.

If the company lays legal claim in such a case, other companys can't take the idea even if its from the original submitter due to the original companys right to claim (Thats if they trademark or copyright,etc it of cause)

[Furlow]

I know this thread is pretty old now, but Cor doesn't seem like a good one. If anything, a bard for support caster type which while in this mode can do light healing, but unable to fight. This would be good for those Pups I see around that are built with full master combat sets and be buffing party with 2 songs that could be adjusted by what maneuvers were active or attachments that must be equipped for it to use the particular song.
Also, for new frames. You could easily use graphic from the various jobs to make the frames, like bard's Relic hat as a new head.

Seriously though, the puppet has so much potential for customization, it is a little silly to not give players more frames. Even if it's strictly cosmetic, like making alternate heads that do same functions. Maybe a Drg's AF helm for a head and purple colored frame.

[Dzspdref]

Second note: They're implying that new PS2 devkits are that hard to get, but you can find them on eBay and online to purchase yourself!

So not to sound cliché, but heck they are Japanese development and engineers!

Why can't they get one then duplicate it a couple thousand times for themselves?

Ok, possible copyright or Trade Mark hurdles, but giving Sony/PS2 a few bucks for each one they "replicate" so they can have more might be a way to get the problem solved and then GROW more FFXI development?

Just a thought.....