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  1. #11
    Player Karbuncle's Avatar
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    For my answer, its quite simple. He asked for the Best sub job. Its NIN. He didn't ask for a bunch of Situational Sub jobs.

    in my opinion, /WAR is Situational Too, so is /SAM. i use /SAM when i fight Shinryu on THF when i go to Brew with my friend, So i can Sekkanoki before engaging and get 2 chances for a WS hint. or /DRK for Glavoid, But i wouldn't bring up either of those as the best sub job.

    Thats why people aren't recommending /DNC. /DNC has its uses, its situational over /NIN though, for most of Endgame Activities involving 2 or more people, Your best bet is /NIN.

    right now though, /NIN offers 5% more "Speed" over /DNC (i say 5% not 10% cause you could use Haste Samba). Which offers you faster kill speeds, etc. Also all the Debuffs on DNC are kinda weak, at best, and using them takes away largely from your over-all DPS due to the delay between Attacks and Job abilities, which gets worse as your haste levels rise.

    Really though, Its because of Shadows, /NIN is ideal for shadows, There are some enemies where you just dont give a Fk. Like say, Glavoid for shells, but in that situation you're better off /DRK and just face-tanking and help stunning the big stuff like Gorge/Disgorge, especially if you low-man like i do.

    It really breaks down too /NIN will be the most useful to him, its the "universal "can't go wrong" Sub job. /DNC, /WAR, /SAM, and /DRK are all Situational Sub jobs that should be maintained.

    He has /DNC maintained according to his OP, So he's in the clear.

    So its not that /DNC is useless, its that he asked for the best sub job, not the situational ones, and if you only got to chose 1 sub job to level ever, You'd pick /NIN, would you not? We (At lease I, Acknowledge uses for multiple subjobs, however i maintained to the confines of the Question asked, regardless of semantics.
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  2. #12
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    Short Answer:

    /DNC is more of a situational, soloing subjob. It's fantastic for moving down loads of weak mobs while doing trials, farming drops, etc.

    At level 90, /45NIN grants two significant boosts to THF: Dual Wield III and Subtle Blow III. This subjob will increase a THF's damage on all mobs and enhance THF's survivability when pitted against hard-hitting mobs and NMs. /NIN is my default subjob on THF.

    I have /WAR leveled, but I can't say I use it. I'm no FFXI mathologist, but I'd think that it's somewhat comparable to /NIN. Berserk is a such an incredibly welcome JA on a job as attack-stared as THF. I lowman often enough in Abyssea that I need the shadows and added Subtle Blow from /NIN. I think it would be fun to sneak into an exp alluance on THF/WAR just to play with it for awhile, though.

    EDIT: I totally forgot to mention /SAM and /DRK, but I see that Krabnuckle nailed it already!
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  3. #13
    Player Karbuncle's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeek View Post
    Short Answer:

    /DNC is more of a situational, soloing subjob. It's fantastic for moving down loads of weak mobs while doing trials, farming drops, etc.

    At level 90, /45NIN grants two significant boosts to THF: Dual Wield III and Subtle Blow III. This subjob will increase a THF's damage on all mobs and enhance THF's survivability when pitted against hard-hitting mobs and NMs. /NIN is my default subjob on THF.

    I have /WAR leveled, but I can't say I use it. I'm no FFXI mathologist, but I'd think that it's somewhat comparable to /NIN. Berserk is a such an incredibly welcome JA on a job as attack-stared as THF. I lowman often enough in Abyssea that I need the shadows and added Subtle Blow from /NIN. I think it would be fun to sneak into an exp alluance on THF/WAR just to play with it for awhile, though.
    /beaten.

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  4. #14
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    COR Lv 75
    NIN- hands down, everything.

    Situational:

    BLU - for skilling up shield on EM+ Crabs
    RDM- for skilling up shield on EM+ Crabs (be sure to Aura Steal Scissor Guard for +100% DEF)
    PLD- skilling up shield (I spend a lot of time skilling up shield even though I hardly use it)
    WAR- PT situations, for double/triple attack/berserk (super extensive use of bloody and blind bolts)
    SAM- PvP, WS spam, etc.
    RNG- Widescan for NM hunting
    DRG- Accuracy Bonus and Wyvern Earring for those of you who haven't hit the haste cap with other gear.
    PUP- whm puppet that sits in the back and slaps you with cures. Flashbulb stacks with blind bolt.

    DNC- never use it. (wish SE allowed for a quest to un-learn the job so I could remove DNC from my job list)
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  5. #15
    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    PLD Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Huevriel View Post

    Situational:

    BLU - for skilling up shield on EM+ Crabs
    RDM- for skilling up shield on EM+ Crabs (be sure to Aura Steal Scissor Guard for +100% DEF)
    PLD- skilling up shield (I spend a lot of time skilling up shield even though I hardly use it)
    WAR- PT situations, for double/triple attack/berserk (super extensive use of bloody and blind bolts)
    SAM- PvP, WS spam, etc.
    RNG- Widescan for NM hunting
    DRG- Accuracy Bonus and Wyvern Earring for those of you who haven't hit the haste cap with other gear.
    PUP- whm puppet that sits in the back and slaps you with cures. Flashbulb stacks with blind bolt.

    DNC- never use it. (wish SE allowed for a quest to un-learn the job so I could remove DNC from my job list)
    I know things are situational (and subjective), but imo /DNC is easily the most useful out of these (and maybe /WAR).

    And you forgot /BST and /BLM, since we're including every niche. In fact I can see more uses for /BST than almost all of the jobs you mentioned (even considering /DNC and /WAR).
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  6. #16
    Player Taylin's Avatar
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    Most definitely /NIN
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    THF 90, 'nuff said, Thief is awesome.

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