May Update Dissapointment

[dmuller30]

It's 3 minutes. It was 5 but then they shortened it to 3. You weren't even close. Seriously how do you people justify being distraught over a job you can't even remember how one of your 3 job abilities work and can't be bothered to look it up. Every job has had its ups and downs through their entirety of the game. Just because you personally feel that your job has had more downs then up doesn't mean you are owed anything from the dev team. Get over it.

This is ridiculous it's like when in the Harry Potter books Dudley got mad because he got 36 presents instead of 37.

Well you are entitled to your opinion just like I am entitled to mine not knowing a timer doesn't make me any less or more of a player. And it doesn't matter about quantity it matters about quality. I would rather take 3 quality updates rather then 30 lack luster updates. And judging by your current post from my other post about job balance you want the same thing for another job so we aren't so different. No one owes anyone anything but everyone has the right to feel that the update is meaningless you are 1 out of the few that doesn't care. So if you don't care then this isn't the thread for you my friend it is for the people who are dissapointed and aren't satisfied with the update(s).

[Shirai]

The more I read this, the more I start siding with Ulth. You guys are acting like Summoner is on the bottom of the pit.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that a lot of our abillities need a buff, and that this update has left a lot of us terribly confused.
But looking at where Summoner stands it is not doing bad at all.
Summoners are still invited to high end endgame content to play several roles, Summoners are still invited to join CP parties, Summoners can solo stuff other jobs can't even beat with a full party of trusts.
And don't get me started about our 1 hours, especially if you add the effects Job Points have on them, pretty much among the most powerful in the game.

Just look at Ulth's thief, where does he fit in? What content actually still uses thieves?
Seriously folks, stop acting like little children, even with the improvements we'd so love to see more than half of the jobs out there have it worse than us, a lot worse.

[Secondplanet]

Summoners can solo stuff other jobs can't even beat with a full party of trusts.

I would love to see your setup to pull this off, Just thinking you're using a fastcast set for summoning and maybe subbing nin for shadows or get lucky with blink to allow you time to summoner still, A tanking set so your avatar doesn't get one shotted by a skill attack from the NM but how do you get mp back since this fight would be drawn out? Sorry to pick on this but without trusts and most NM's now having a battlefield zone which takes kiting out of the picture you would have to rely on killing it fast with maybe you 1hr's but that would still bank on your avatar staying alive long enough to finish your attack storm.

[Shirai]

I would love to see your setup to pull this off, Just thinking you're using a fastcast set for summoning and maybe subbing nin for shadows or get lucky with blink to allow you time to summoner still, A tanking set so your avatar doesn't get one shotted by a skill attack from the NM but how do you get mp back since this fight would be drawn out? Sorry to pick on this but without trusts and most NM's now having a battlefield zone which takes kiting out of the picture you would have to rely on killing it fast with maybe you 1hr's but that would still bank on your avatar staying alive long enough to finish your attack storm.

Fast cast, check. But that's something I've been using for so long that I actually judge the people that don't as it's a very clear indicator they they'll most likely also slack in other departments.
Other then that, nothing special, no nin sub, pet -DT or anything fancy like that. Just good old knowledge of terrain, the type of mob(s) and good old game mechanics that have worked since before I started playing this game.

Note that, barring devastating TP moves, when wearing ilevel gear we can also easilly survive a couple of hits ourselves.

Also note that I never said, anywhere, that we're able to solo everything. But we can still solo considerably more than most of the other jobs.

[dmuller30]

Fast cast, check. But that's something I've been using for so long that I actually judge the people that don't as it's a very clear indicator they they'll most likely also slack in other departments.
Other then that, nothing special, no nin sub, pet -DT or anything fancy like that. Just good old knowledge of terrain, the type of mob(s) and good old game mechanics that have worked since before I started playing this game.

Note that, barring devastating TP moves, when wearing ilevel gear we can also easilly survive a couple of hits ourselves.

Also note that I never said, anywhere, that we're able to solo everything. But we can still solo considerably more than most of the other jobs.

We can solo a lot of mobs that don't need trust but for the ones that matter you need the trusts which isn't technically soloing. And it is alright to side with whoever you want there is always going to be clashing opinions you are very optimistic just like I used to be about SMN but beating the job with stuff that is lack luster is just making a lot of SMNs a little unsettled, tired and while some are still optimistic the majority are a bit irritated. I don't know how many SMN I asked about this on my server because I am also upset about the update have said they couldn't believe they would update something so minimal. So me and Secondplanet are not the only people upset it's a lot of people. So my opinion just like many still stands, I am very dissapointed about this update and I feel as if they could do more. They have been saying they are going to up our blood wards for so many years that also hasn't happened so yes I am upset and confused and for me I believe it is valid.

[Cabalabob]

Can we even get 700 summoning skill? Dunno about anyone else but I'm struggling to get over 550.

[dmuller30]

Can we even get 700 summoning skill? Dunno about anyone else but I'm struggling to get over 550.

You can but it super hard . . . . . .

[Secondplanet]

Can we even get 700 summoning skill? Dunno about anyone else but I'm struggling to get over 550.

So far the best i can get is 602 atm but i can get 2 other items to get me about another 9 i think. Not sure how close to 700 you can get but i can't see you being able to get more then 620 maybe.

[Fae]

Can we even get 700 summoning skill? Dunno about anyone else but I'm struggling to get over 550.

I don't think the cap was put in place b/c it's obtainable just to let you have room for future growth on it. Bf is at 624, and only missing the HQ Apogee body and feet for summoning skill that we know of, which would add another 11 over what he's using. Yea, it's better to get telchine pieces, but it's still good for them to do this work of adjusting caps to keep gear relevant into the future.

[Siviard]

Sicycre, sir

I don't believe the issue is the lack of Summoner's attack power, more so than the lack of gear that provides Summoning Magic Skill+, as even some of the most elite Summoners in the game cannot attain 700 Summoning Magic skill, at least to my knowledge.