Job balancing?

[Obysuca]

Noone brought pup or bst to anything serious.

>_> Just have to point out, I came pup for everything back in pre-aby, when everything(sky, sea, salvage, einherjar) was still relevant. People brought pups, its just there weren't as many as there are now(less than 5 pups online at the same time, compared to 20+ these days) and that was back in a time when a good majority of the playerbase had no clue what pup did. I can't remember how many times I had to explain pup to a pt back in 06-09

I honestly don't know what your talking about. I remember being 75 and I could utilize any of my jobs just as others could. Did we want a MNK back in those days not really but it could still be used and wasn't the end all. My point is that back at lvl 75 days there were preferred jobs but there wasn't you have to be this job

^ This. Now we're all forced to the same 2-3 jobs if we want to get anything done and can't really swap to something else when we get bored. I miss those days, if I got bored of being one job, I could just swap to another and I'd still be invited to do things.

[OmnysValefor]

Oh really? When were you doing these. My first egls (07,08?) brought a bst and halftime pup/blm to endgame and suffered for the damage of the gimp warrior and gimp monk pet jobs.

These were both as well geared as they could be (esp the bst) but they weren't ideal.

You can bring any job to anything you can do with 5 or 17.

[Obysuca]

halftime pup/blm

suffered for the damage of the gimp monk pet jobs.

Theres your problem right there >_> no reason for them to have been /blm

[Jin_Uzuki]

Yes, I'm sure if you look hard enough, in 14 years of FFXI you'll find out someone 6-men party Kirin during 75 era using only a party of PUP.

Doesn't mean people actually wanted and asked someone to bring their PUP to Sky and Sea. Unless you were the HNMLS leader friend or PUP was the only job you ever leveled or they were really pitying you or something.

"Every job was viable ever" is flat out revisionist history.

No one wanted BST for a long time. BLM suffered once people discovered you could just TP burn everything. DRG was lol-drg for a while. RDM supplanted WHM for a long time. SMN always struggled.

And let not get me started how hard was reaching 75 for certain jobs (I'm sure everyone who leveled BLM during Toau era knows the joy of Colibri and Imps party)

[OmnysValefor]

Great example. The distaste for the classes was so thorough that they weren't even desired in exp.

Bst, pup, smn ("{main} {heal}?"), drg (before penta).

And let's not even talk about the exclusionary nature of merit parties. In toau, this extended to thf, pld, and kind of dnc--which could "tank".