Job balancing?

[dmuller30]

I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but I think SCH needs to be "adjusted". A backline job that can repeatedly self SC while remaining out of harm's way is just... stupid.

What I'm proposing is simple, but would not eliminate the viability, merely the practicality of the strategy. I say any SC that closes with Immanence should have a Magic Burst damage penalty. Let's say this is a small amount (-20%). The Average BLM will have zero chance of capping damage with this penalty. Now, let's say this is an extreme amount (-50%). This would help the "safer, but takes longer" aspect of strategies. And a poorly geared team would basically be required to either A) change their approach or B) go get A LOT better.

Another idea is: have spells do a % of the damage that the skillchain dealt. For example, if a SCH's distortion did 2,000 damage, the Magic Burst could only deal up to 1000% of that (20,000). This is just an example, I think each level nuke should have its own equation and damage multiplier. This would make the actual SC damage relevant again. This would also help entice players into making more multiple step SC's, which could help nukers hit the damage cap.

Like I said, I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this. I know it won't make meleeing things any easier. But... it just might make it more preferable. A safe strategy should not be the ideal strategy. I know a lot needs to happen on the road to rebalancing jobs. I'm completely convinced there will be some people that disagree with this so much they will condemn me on these forums, but I don't care.

Getting better really has nothing to do with it. The mobs are unbalanced with AOE spam. We need DT sets for melee because the amount of aoe spam they have to deal with is garbage. Taking away from the player community by putting a 20%- on magic bursts wouldn't be the route to go unless SE wants a bunch of mad customers. It just needs to be reformed so that way each job is useful like the lvl 75 days. Back in those days each job was useful there were preffered jobs but all jobs could go do end game content, unlike range/ mage only content we have today.

[OmnysValefor]

Getting better really has nothing to do with it. The mobs are unbalanced with AOE spam. We need DT sets for melee because the amount of aoe spam they have to deal with is garbage. Taking away from the player community by putting a 20%- on magic bursts wouldn't be the route to go unless SE wants a bunch of mad customers. It just needs to be reformed so that way each job is useful like the lvl 75 days. Back in those days each job was useful there were preffered jobs but all jobs could go do end game content, unlike range/ mage only content we have today.

AOE Spam is part of it, but there's a lot more going on than that. Enfeebling AOES (especially paralyzes so potent that you can't remedy and no practical way to remove Amensia, and even a well timed Blind by the boss) are a huge part of it.

Said it before, say it again: Melee require too much babysitting when a pair of scholars can do the same job far more efficiently, in lesser gear. (An evaded attack means a miss. A magic-evaded attack means a resist). Since your party will have some mages (50-99k MBs for minimal tp feed and minimal hate is too lovely not to embrace), its easier with just mages. The GEO buffs to favor them and doesn't worry about melee who aren't there.

And each job did not have a use at 75 besides niche fights. They were called lolpup and lolbst for a reason. DNC was pretty awful, THF and sometimes DRG were only wanted for TH and Angon. SCH replaced SMN for buff-magic.

[dmuller30]

AOE Spam is part of it, but there's a lot more going on than that. Enfeebling AOES (especially paralyzes so potent that you can't remedy and no practical way to remove Amensia, and even a well timed Blind by the boss) are a huge part of it.

Said it before, say it again: Melee require too much babysitting when a pair of scholars can do the same job far more efficiently, in lesser gear. (An evaded attack means a miss. A magic-evaded attack means a resist). Since your party will have some mages (50-99k MBs for minimal tp feed and minimal hate is too lovely not to embrace), its easier with just mages. The GEO buffs to favor them and doesn't worry about melee who aren't there.

And each job did not have a use at 75 besides niche fights. They were called lolpup and lolbst for a reason. DNC was pretty awful, THF and sometimes DRG were only wanted for TH and Angon. SCH replaced SMN for buff-magic.

Every job had some purpose there wasn't lolpup when it had it's over powered ja set and bst well you are right there lol. . . . . DNC on Titan / Pheonix servers were pretty nice I don't have any clue what you are talking about DNC and THF were both used pretty fairly in the HNMLS I was inm because DNC could survive so many different things that other jobs couldn't and could help keep a party alive while putting out dps. THF still had its uses and so did a good DRG. SMN . . . . don't even get me started on what that job needs because the list on that job is enough to write a novel about, I don't understand why that job has never really caught up with the other jobs in the entire what 13/14 years the game has been out? Anyways back at lvl 75 there were the preferred jobs but they weren't set in stone as must have jobs like we have now.

[OmnysValefor]

Every job had some purpose there wasn't lolpup when it had it's over powered ja set and bst well you are right there lol. . . . . DNC on Titan / Pheonix servers were pretty nice I don't have any clue what you are talking about DNC and THF were both used pretty fairly in the HNMLS I was inm because DNC could survive so many different things that other jobs couldn't and could help keep a party alive while putting out dps. THF still had its uses and so did a good DRG. SMN . . . . don't even get me started on what that job needs because the list on that job is enough to write a novel about, I don't understand why that job has never really caught up with the other jobs in the entire what 13/14 years the game has been out? Anyways back at lvl 75 there were the preferred jobs but they weren't set in stone as must have jobs like we have now.

When DNC was introduced, DNC did similar dmg to thf without SATA to back it up. DNC at 75 (at least for the first year or two of WoTG) was impotent.

BST at 75? It was basically a warrior without any offensive ability, and since it did its best with /nin, it got nothing from sub either. The pets were laughable because they couldn't hit anything remotely difficult.

BST is in a good spot now and was in a really great spot for a long time, but it was crap at 75. THF was used for two things -- Treasure hunter and hate-control and if it didn't have TH, noone would have brought it.

So what is the new king of blocking?

Don't laugh, Priwen while Reprisal is up--so you build yourself a good haste/fc set and cast Reprisal in that. Aeonic blocks more-per-hit but blocks much less often. I don't like it anymore than anyone else but SE is fine with where shields are at.

[Stompa]

BST at 75? It was basically a warrior without any offensive ability, and since it did its best with /nin, it got nothing from sub either. The pets were laughable because they couldn't hit anything remotely difficult.

BST is in a good spot now and was in a really great spot for a long time, but it was crap at 75.

In 2005 I watched a girl on Remora, as she solo'd Xolotl on BST75/whm. She was charming the hidden Antlions and running away, for hours. She won. Xol was an alliance mob at the time.

In 2005 I got my Ohat, in a group 3/18. Me and two other BST75/whm, we trio'd Haku using charmed eyes. Haku was an alliance mob at the time.

Also in 2005 I solo'd Alkyoneus on BST/whm, using charmed bats and stop jugs. He was quite a powerful mob to solo at the time.

I'm not wanting to start an argument here, and I would completely agree with you that BST JugPets were incredibly weak, and had miserable accuracy. I totally agree with you on that. But that doesn't mean Bst75 "was crap." Bst75 was a master of the wilderness, and in the wild lands Bst was the most powerful job in FFXI.

In BCNM / Sky / Mission battles / etc., Bst was forced to us JugPets, and was indeed crap. But in the wilderness, Bst was completely mighty, the mightiest job of all.