Job balancing?

[detlef]

It comes down to the difference between NQ and HQ brd. For instance look at GEO's Geo-Refresh, The difference between NQ bell and idris is 5mp/tic. When you compare NQ brd(+2 all songs and emp +1 legs) and HQ brd(+4 all songs and emp +1 legs) its only a +2 difference.

Okay, so let's get something straight. In your eyes, a HQ BRD has RME, Ghorn/Carnwenhan/Daurdabla. NQ BRD has regular instruments, Kali/Legato, and Terpander. Let’s assume that both are capped on song+ and song effect duration gear (Fili+1 body, Aoidos neck, no Marduk legs because Ballad, Brioso feet, don’t have my gear sets in front of me ATM). Using Ballad as an example like you did, HQ BRD is able to provide:

-obviously 33% more songs (4 versus 3);

-Due to Ghorn and Carn, the HQ BRD is able to provide songs that are 39% longer duration (233% versus 168%), 31% difference with Blurred Harp;

-And if you look at potency, HQ BRD’s buffs provide 36% more refresh (15 mp/tick versus 11) for double Ballads, 15% difference with Blurred Harp.

Correct my math if I'm missing something, but I have to ask you, why isn’t BRD being invited anymore? It probably isn’t because the boost provided by RME are too weak. It might be because the job as a whole needs improvement.

Edit: math was bad.

[VoiceMemo]

Okay, so let's get something straight. In your eyes, a HQ BRD has RME, Ghorn/Carnwenhan/Daurdabla. NQ BRD has regular instruments, Kali/Legato, and Terpander. Let’s assume that both are capped on song+ and song effect duration gear (Fili+1 body, Aoidos neck, no Marduk legs because Ballad, Brioso feet, don’t have my gear sets in front of me ATM). Using Ballad as an example like you did, HQ BRD is able to provide:

NQ brd = 3 song JSE harp and the all songs +2 Eminent flute or Forefront flute.
HQ brd = Carnwenhan, Gjallarhorn, Daurdabla

My example was comparison of NQ geo Dunna and Nepote Bell, geomancy +5, versus the idris geomancy +10. Compare this to Eminent flute +2 to Gjallarhorn +4. Because of the PERCENTAGE nature of geomancy spells idris geo sees much more boost than dunna geo, but the STATIC nature of brd the power isn't nearly as great.

their nq +5 on dunna is greater than the hq of gjallarhorn already. To be on a lvl field perhaps Eminent flute goes to +5 and Gjallarhorn to +10, but this is why I suggested that the buff be on Carnwenhan, else geo's would complain that brd's powerful instrument is so easy to get.

-obviously 33% more songs (4 versus 3);

4th song does not apply to this example as there are only 3 ballads, this is comparison of ballad power.

-Due to Ghorn and Carn, the HQ BRD is able to provide songs that are 39% longer duration (233% versus 168%), 31% difference with Blurred Harp;

Duration is long yes but this is about the power, and the power of songs comes from Gjallarhorn. Duration is a different story.

-And if you look at potency, HQ BRD’s buffs provide 36% more refresh (15 mp/tick versus 11) for double Ballads, 15% difference with Blurred Harp.

Yes duration will give more MP back for total time, but again this is about power of the buff not total MP recovered.

Correct my math if I'm missing something, but I have to ask you, why isn’t BRD being invited anymore? It probably isn’t because the boost provided by RME are too weak. It might be because the job as a whole needs improvement.

Edit: math was bad.

The main reason why brd isn't invited as much is because of the HP mechanics of alot of the fights. Because less people = less HP brd becomes a luxury to have. Also because of the time limits imposed by SE for these battles. Brd unless you SV is not about a sprint, by the nature of brd songs its about the marathon. Brd is helpful when a fight runs long as they are not bound by mp constraints and can provide the support needed for the longer battle, ie ballads.

The BEST reason for brd at the moment is Requiem 7. As a REM brd this is one of the longest dmging DOT spells at around 5 minutes unresisted. Very useful to keep mobs from regening in cases of wipe situation.