Job balancing?

[OmnysValefor]

I thought it was assumed that the buff would take song+ buffs into account. So let's say that Minuet V strength is equivalent to, say, the attack boost we currently get from a combination of Minuet V and IV including instrument boosts. Make Victory March as strong as the haste boost we get from double Marches. Same with Madrigals and so on. That's a pretty significant boost, and I'd argue that songs should be stronger GEO spells because dispels are a greater deterrent/irritation than having to stay in AoE range or recast a bubble.

Also, your argument about RME BRDs... so what? 4 songs is always more than 3. Ghorn is always stronger than regular instruments. Carn will always be best in slot duration boost. What more do you want? The job doesn't need stronger RMEs, it needs a stronger baseline.

This is correct, but I'm replying directly to the part I bolded:

Exactly, the only problem with BRD is "baseline" GEO blows pimp BRD out of the water, it's like comparing the tankability of a Warrior to a Paladin.

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In reply to others:

According to https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Madrigal, Double Madrigal from a best-in-slot Bard gives 71 (edit, said 58) accuracy.

The same 4 song bard can give two minuets for 172 (edit: had originally said 138, forgot to account for gear) attack.

A Dunna GEO can give an a melee with 1000 Attack (1000 attack is easily easily achievable) 482 attack (+48.2% to attack) and 75 accuracy (GEO's acc+/evia- bubbles are not % based). Or the GEO can give -28.3% defense to the monster changing a 1000atk vs 1000def to 1482 vs 717. Changes the ratio from 1:1 to 2:1.

Oh, and then, the fury/frailty GEO can entrust +50 accuracy centered on another party member with 50% uptime, or give them Haste or whatever. Or if they provide it as a debuff (indi-torpor, rather than indi-precision), it affects the whole alliance.

Also, the frailty is beneficial to the whole alliance.