Dark Knight and the Dev Team

[Anathiel]

Recently became deficient eh? I seem to remember back in 2005 getting kicked out of pt's because they found a rng. Or looking for a party for days before finally getting proficient at making my own parties before I got a static. Oh, and not being able to get into zilart or promathia missions. Right I guess this has only happened recently.

[Frost]

Recently became deficient eh? I seem to remember back in 2005 getting kicked out of pt's because they found a rng. Or looking for a party for days before finally getting proficient at making my own parties before I got a static. Oh, and not being able to get into zilart or promathia missions. Right I guess this has only happened recently.

Yes recently.

Really? Going to bring up Rangers? Really? You do recall they got nerfed to near extinction right? That's the worst example you could possibly come up with. You, as well as everyone got replaced by rangers because they were so ridiculously over powered at the time, and got "adjusted". Then everyone played Rdm, Blm, Nin, and Brd for about 3 years... Then they added the Two handed buff and pretty much every one-handed job fell to the wayside as Drks, Drgs, Sams and Wars got invites, casting off the one handers into exile for a few years(with a few exceptions).

Now, the pendulum has swung in the other direction, and the one hander jobs are enjoying a bit more of the limelight, but sharing said limelight instead of dominating it with those two-handers of yesteryear.

You guys make it seem like Darks are completely useless; like Darks are just under a melee Smn/Blm on the pecking order or something. I have no problem getting invites on my Drk or holding my own in a party nowadays. Most of the reason why I hold my own is that I adapt and enjoy the whole berth of the Dark job. And I'm not the only one having no issues. If you think it's so hard to play right now and that you're useless, while other Darks still holding top slots in a parse, getting invites on "your job", and don't see it as underpowered... You might want to think about maybe why YOU are having issues.

[Rayik]

Yes recently.

Really? Going to bring up Rangers? Really? You do recall they got nerfed to near extinction right? That's the worst example you could possibly come up with. You, as well as everyone got replaced by rangers because they were so ridiculously over powered at the time, and got "adjusted". Then everyone played Rdm, Blm, Nin, and Brd for about 3 years... Then they added the Two handed buff and pretty much every one-handed job fell to the wayside as Drks, Drgs, Sams and Wars got invites, casting off the one handers into exile for a few years(with a few exceptions).

Now, the pendulum has swung in the other direction, and the one hander jobs are enjoying a bit more of the limelight, but sharing said limelight instead of dominating it with those two-handers of yesteryear.

You guys make it seem like Darks are completely useless; like Darks are just under a melee Smn/Blm on the pecking order or something. I have no problem getting invites on my Drk or holding my own in a party nowadays. Most of the reason why I hold my own is that I adapt and enjoy the whole berth of the Dark job. And I'm not the only one having no issues. If you think it's so hard to play right now and that you're useless, while other Darks still holding top slots in a parse, getting invites on "your job", and don't see it as underpowered... You might want to think about maybe why YOU are having issues.

Try getting a party invite on something other than trash XP mobs. Only reason DRK gets invites to Abyssea parties is to fill up space in an alliance. Nobody goes out of there way to get a DRK, it's never "Ooh! a DRK, grab him!" Have fun fighting NM's or actually accomplishing something besides XP.

Addendum: I've been a DRK main for 4 years, leveled RDM a year and a half ago just so I had something useful at events(and I enjoyed the job). Even when I low-man with RL friends and family, they NEVER ask me to come DRK. They'd rather have me on my gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs(skills barely high enough for that) than my full geared out and merited DRK.

[Frost]

@Flunklesnarkin: FFXII had "Scourge" which was pretty spiffy, they could add it to this game, Drk only, Good idea on the concept though. Hell they coudl have given us the old school "Demi" I, II, III, & IV(?) spells as "Dark Spells" instead of weak elemental spells they did give us.

Try getting a party invite on something other than trash XP mobs. Only reason DRK gets invites to Abyssea parties is to fill up space in an alliance. Nobody goes out of there way to get a DRK, it's never "Ooh! a DRK, grab him!" Have fun fighting NM's or actually accomplishing something besides XP.

First fallacy: You assume it's not like that for any if not all jobs.

Second fallacy: You forget, it's might not be the job, it might be you.
(Not you specifically, just the proverbial 'you'.)

And final thought on this line of ill-conceived bovine excrement. Get better friends. If I want to come dark, I do. And I am welcomed to do so. Because I know my role, and how to play the job to benefit the group, and my friends know I know what I am capable of, and don't second guess my ability.

So in retort I have no issue playing Dark as it is, nor getting invites, nor participating in larger scale events on Dark. I know I am able to show people it's not a "Weak Job", and that's easy because it's not a weak job.

Addendum: I've been a DRK main for 4 years, leveled RDM a year and a half ago just so I had something useful at events(and I enjoyed the job). Even when I low-man with RL friends and family, they NEVER ask me to come DRK. They'd rather have me on my gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs(skills barely high enough for that) than my full geared out and merited DRK.

Then your friends suck, and judging by their actions as stated here, they don't respect you. Considering you have a self-admitted:

"gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs (skills barely high enough for that)",

I'd assume you don't respect you. Why level a job you have no interest in? Why not gear it up if it's needed? Why can't you make a case to go Dark, when, if War's being used solely for proc'ing, it's barely different?

The answer isn't "Dark is weak"...

And I think the statement that you have skills barely high enough to proc reds on war speaks volumes; because that statement holds a 100% truth to your dark too... They're the same skills used on both. If you give a shit, they'll give a shit.

[Rayik]

@Flunklesnarkin: FFXII had "Scourge" which was pretty spiffy, they could add it to this game, Drk only, Good idea on the concept though. Hell they coudl have given us the old school "Demi" I, II, III, & IV(?) spells as "Dark Spells" instead of weak elemental spells they did give us.



First fallacy: You assume it's not like that for any if not all jobs.

Second fallacy: You forget, it's might not be the job, it might be you.
(Not you specifically, just the proverbial 'you'.)

And final thought on this line of ill-conceived bovine excrement. Get better friends. If I want to come dark, I do. And I am welcomed to do so. Because I know my role, and how to play the job to benefit the group, and my friends know I know what I am capable of, and don't second guess my ability.

So in retort I have no issue playing Dark as it is, nor getting invites, nor participating in larger scale events on Dark. I know I am able to show people it's not a "Weak Job", and that's easy because it's not a weak job.



Then your friends suck, and judging by their actions as stated here, they don't respect you. Considering you have a self-admitted:

"gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs (skills barely high enough for that)",

I'd assume you don't respect you. Why level a job you have no interest in? Why not gear it up if it's needed? Why can't you make a case to go Dark, when, if War's being used solely for proc'ing, it's barely different?

The answer isn't "Dark is weak"...

And I think the statement that you have skills barely high enough to proc reds on war speaks volumes; because that statement holds a 100% truth to your dark too... They're the same skills used on both. If you give a shit, they'll give a shit.

When you started in with the "Fallacy" talk, I was ready to just skip over your entire comment. This isn't Harvard Law, take your pretentious "high class" attitude and go get all those snazzy party invites on DRK(other than filling up space in xp alliances). It's ok, I'll wait.

"Get better friends?" you say? I play with my wife and brother. Doesn't get much closer than that. It goes both ways; my brother loves to play COR and PUP, but neither see any use in Abyssea. Events outside Abyssea? Sure, I'll come DRK and DD with the best of them. Lately we do a lot of Abyssea stuff, so DRK sits on the shelf. Anything DRK can do in Abyssea, WAR can do better. I do enjoy playing WAR, I already had it leveled pretty high, then I was offered a key person slot in a aby pt, so I went ahead and grinded it up to 90. Viola! Suddenly I'm getting invited to all manner of NM pops, Zone Boss runs, etc.

Try it for yourself. Put up your party flag on DRK, and see what kinds of invites you get. I'm willing to bet you get nothing other than {Worm}{Party}Abyssea{La Theine Plateau}{Do you need it?}

Have fun fighting trash mobs for xp all day. It's all you're gonna get to do.

[Jar]

Try getting a party invite on something other than trash XP mobs. Only reason DRK gets invites to Abyssea parties is to fill up space in an alliance. Nobody goes out of there way to get a DRK, it's never "Ooh! a DRK, grab him!" Have fun fighting NM's or actually accomplishing something besides XP.

Addendum: I've been a DRK main for 4 years, leveled RDM a year and a half ago just so I had something useful at events(and I enjoyed the job). Even when I low-man with RL friends and family, they NEVER ask me to come DRK. They'd rather have me on my gimpy full-perle, Abyssea-burned WAR with red procs(skills barely high enough for that) than my full geared out and merited DRK.

i brag about having a job merited too

and if that gimp war your talking about is better than your "fully geared" DRK you are doing it wrong.

[Rayik]

i brag about having a job merited too

and if that gimp war your talking about is better than your "fully geared" DRK you are doing it wrong.

I didn't say it was "better". I said it people would rather have it, due to having all red procs. Try actually reading a post before you quote it.

[Cruentus]

Clearly someone didn't even read my post, which is fine. I don't take offense to illiteracy.

What I implied was that I don't consider Abyssea to be an actual part of the game. More like a bonus level where you can go batshit crazy on everything and get the best gear to-date in about a week's worth of effort, or less. Abyssea is not going to last forever, so when it dies down, I believe everything will be back to the way things were before. Basically pre-Abyssea, if you were actually good at a job, people would invite you to use it regularly. If we're lucky, we can go back to that. Now, if you aren't a specific job that meets the standard of Abyssea, people treat you like shit and make you the bench warmer. That's basically what everyone is saying about DRK right now. DRK is the one sitting on the side. For now. Everyone should just calm down and think about what the future actually holds, not try to adjust the current situation.

Think about it, do you believe this is the first time DRK has been on the bottom of the barrel? 2004 it was lolDRG and lolDRK and RNG was the leet DD. RNG+NIN+THF+BLM+RDM+WHM = win PT all! omg guys Sidewinder + SATA Dancing Edge + Blizzaga 2 we can get chain 5!! Of course back then some people thought BRD was pretty useless too, and look what's happened to that! BRD is losing the interest of most people again as well.

Did you all forget that just before Abyssea, DRK was one of the most popular jobs to be used as a DD and often times a tank for many situations, especially low-manning HNMs and other similar events.

This is just another phase in the world of FFXI. It'll all be over soon.

Except that add-ons never get fully removed from the game. Abyssea will always be there, just like Dynamis, Einherjar, and Eco-Warrior. And I did use the phrase "right now." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

First, don't imply things. Say what you mean instead of being sarcastic, and the only people who will misunderstand you will be the idiots who can't read. I.e., not me. Second, no, I don't believe this is the first time. I believe it's the first time in my time in Vana'diel, which is true, since I've had this game for a year. I'm working with what I know. Screw 2004. Finally, no matter what, balance is required in a game like this. If a job (like how DRK is right now) is useless compared to everything else, it needs to be fixed. There is no possible argument against this fact, and I will thank you to either help the situation by suggesting things that will actually help, rather than keep your attitude and help drag this thread down.

Now, to everyone... Try doing something constructive already. Instead of arguing with each other, try suggestions to fix the job. I'm getting really, really sick of this stupid one-upsmanship attitude everyone has.

[Flunklesnarkin]

while we are talking about drk.. i always thought drk should have some sort of spell similar to holy .. but drk based...

would be really fast to cast and could do a quick augment to your damage like holy.. maybe instead of calling it un-holy they could call it ummm.. Desecrate?

Then we could pretend like we are evil pld's >_>

[Zeroth]

I suggest they do something about scythe which SE said they would do 4 years ago...