Cloudsplitter

[Septimus]

Here is what annoys me about Cloudsplitter.

Most of the weapon skills for Empyrean DD weapons seem to be fairly good. It seems slightly ridiculous that Axe has an elemental weapon skill when Hand-to-Hand, Dagger, Sword, Great Sword, Great Axe, Scythe, Polearm, Katana, Great Katana, and Archery all have have physical weapon skills. I honestly do not understand the logic of giving an elemental weapon skill to BSTs and dual-wielding WARs. At least CORs will have a MAB set for Quick Draw, how many full-time DDs will have a MAB set?

Seriously, I want to know what Square was thinking by making a heavy DD weapon have an elemental weapon skill. And I know better to ever expect an answer.

[Areola]

I did some gorilla style testing on the gneiss leeches in Konschtat-A.

At 100% Tp with out MAB and and only the +40 i get form cruor buffs cloudsplitter does about 700 damage and at 300% it does about 1000 damage. Notice i said "about" and i'm going to say it a lot. I'm rounding UP to make the math easier. ~I'm lazy

So lets say your not normal and save up 300%tp every time you ws if you use ultimate, lion, and blinding horn that's a total of 120% that brings you to about 2200 damage. now lets add a novio +7 hecate's +6 and an ugly pendant +8 for 21 more MAB brings the ws to 2410. Now lets add /blm or /rdm for 24 MAB for 2650 damage. remember these numbers are at 300% TP. 100% TP would be about 1225 damage. based on what saevel said about MAB the damage would be less, but i'm not even going to pretend like i know how to calculate MAB perfectly :P

With this setup you sacrifice all your dd atmas on war and only gain 10% triple attack. The crit rate from using RR or GH alone would trump this in WS and melee damage. For bst you sacrifice dd atmas or pet tanking/dd atmas, if your pet is worthless you might as well be on war.

Basically out of all my QQ ing what I'm getting at is this ws isn't well designed for the jobs its given to as an empyrean WS and i don't see the purpose for its existence(unless war QQ'ed a lot about not having primal rend), and please don't say its great for brewing that's obvious, but I shouldn't have to spend 200K cruor to not regret making this weapon.

[Septimus]

i don't see the purpose for its existence(unless war QQ'ed a lot about not having primal rend)

Unless procing blue, I don't think that most one-handed axe Warriors even acknowledge the existence of weapon skills that don't start with "R" and end with "ampage".

[Xilk]

yeah, I would have preferred to have a good strong AoE WS. Magical or physical either way.. .physical probably better...
but it would not have to trump rampage... just hit everything in a little sphere. ^.^

[Ophannus]

Hasn't BST had enough of crappy magic WS? First they got Primal Rend, then Bora Axe and now Cloudsplitter. All are crap.

[sixo]

FYI bora isnt magical, just crappy, like mistral axe + bind.

[Areola]

Even bora axe hits harder than cloudspiltter QQ

[Valmur]

300tp I've done around 3300 odd damage with cloudsplitter (Lion, Blinding horn, Ultimate) lol :/

(100tp 1.2-1.9k)

[saevel]

Basically out of all my QQ ing what I'm getting at is this ws isn't well designed for the jobs its given to as an empyrean WS and i don't see the purpose for its existence(unless war QQ'ed a lot about not having primal rend), and please don't say its great for brewing that's obvious, but I shouldn't have to spend 200K cruor to not regret making this weapon.

Completely agree that its out of place for BST and WAR. You can set it to do pretty good ele damage for amber light farming, and its a monster during a brew, but otherwise its only good vs monsters who are physically resistant (eles and slimes). Axe doesn't have any elemental WS's assigned to it (other then Primal Rend), that is the only reason I can think that SE would create this.

[Crysten]

I literally had this same discussion with an LS mate after finishing their Farsha last night.

I will say the same thing here that I said to her: Farsha is still the best option for BST, and while your WS damage will never come close to any of the higher tier Empyreans unless you specifically gear for it with Atmas, the Aftermath effect is going to make you come out far better in the long run.

Someone mentioned it on an earlier page - use Cloudsplitter as a means to proc your Aftermath and follow up with Rampage. Best of both worlds. I will agree that it's odd they gave BST another elemental WS rather than a physical one, though.

However, if you're going to be short sighted enough to say it's a bad weapon for the WS alone, I don't know what to say to you. I can understand this argument should you have wasted your time on the WoE version, but the Empyrean by no means is a waste of time.