Apex Colibri {Can I have it?}

[Ulth]

I'm not sure if you've ever played DRK, but from your statement it appears no. Rudra's Storm is by far a better WS than any Scythe WS. Even though Rudra's did get nerfed, it is still a very good WS. It's not that Rudra's post nerf is a little better, it's that everything is better.

The disadvantages of dual wielding are nothing compared to the benefits. Getting to use a second weapon with more accuracy, strength, dexterity, critical hit rate, triple attack, you get the point. The best grips are garbage compared to getting to wield a second weapon. Like I said, maybe it wouldn't be that much of a problem if grips were just better in general.

Other can of worms concerning RME's, as you said. DRK gets the least amount of accuracy from JP gifts for melee jobs (as far as I can tell), even though it needs it more than any other job. As a DRK you can -try- to cast absorb spells, but that isn't always successful. Also, the more spells they cast, the less they attack. The augments on Cronus are amazing, i will admit that. But amazing stats on a scythe don't mean much. 2H WS's in general are weak compared to even a post Rudra's nerf, CDC, Savage Blade, etc. Common sense says a Great Axe will do more damage to a large enemy like a Hydra than two dinky daggers. Unfortunately SE doesn't seem to agree with it.

Somehow I doubt you've every really played drk either. Can you imagine how bad a blu would be if they didn't have sets for fast cast, magic attack, and magic accuracy. I can, they tend to be bad blus. If your absorb spells aren't landing you need more magic accuracy genius. Lucky you drk gets more magic accuracy than thf from gifts, but don't worry I would cry over that. And you are right drk gets the least amount of accuracy however they get the most amount of attack. It's almost like that is a particular quality that drk is associated with. War on the other hand gets more critical hit damage than thf even though thf is the job with the highest tier of critical attack bonus. Also don't try and say that attack isn't important. If you are fighting something you can't cap accuracy on I highly doubt you have 3.75 times more attack than they have defense.

Rudra's is garbage. The only time to use it is when you are stacking it with SA/TA/CF, or if you really need to close darkness. Best unstacked dagger skills are evisceration for thfs, Mandalic stab for mythic thfs, Mordant Rime for mythic brds, and Pyrrhic Kleos for dnc mythic or otherwise. Mandau and Mercy Stroke are a joke even at 119 III. CDC and savage blade do seem very powerful but really they are just very powerful in the hands of blu, people seem to forget that they are also used by pld.

Anyway it's funny you would end it on that hydra example, because that really just sums up your position. You don't want to be balanced with one hand weapons. You want two hand weapons to be better than them. You want all of those job's benefits and none of their draw backs. Why? because you can't be bothered to even try to be good at drk. When was the last time you opened a spreadsheet on drk huh?

P.S. In the event you were fighting a hydra, while a great axe would be useful at first they mostly cause large superficial wounds. Most killing blows tend to be delivered with longer piercing weapons like daggers. Which fits as thf tend to be the best anchors on skillchains.

P.P.S. And if we are really being realistic scythes aren't even weapons they are farming equipment.

[OmnysValefor]

In regards to buffers, I think that corsair is in any okay spot, it provides some unique buffs (regain) or buffs that stack with other buffs. (I do not play corsair, worth noting.)

Bard has Scherzo but other than that, GEO's buffs are better. Bard, theoretically, stacks well with geo (can carol + bar + vex/attune + weather or threnody + weather + focus/malaise), but if you have to choose either, geo is almost always the better choice.

I think the thing they must do is roll all the Threnodies into Threnody and all the Carols into one Carol. It's easy to do, give a quest where you have to go cast all the carols/threnodies on an NPC and the reward is the final spell (and removing the other spells). That still leaves bard without an MAB/-MDEF buff, but it has Scherzo. That might do something to reignite favor towards the job.

In regards to CP, I fully (or foolly) believe this could do a lot for CP imbalance. The only problem now is that so many players have capped the jobs they care about, but short of letting us earn cp on one job, for another (which I guess they've said isn't happening), I can't imagine a better solution.

Here's the thing, a lot of melee don't carry much dt gear, and they die but a lot of mages don't either, but they're unaffected by most aoes, most TP moves and especially the double whammy that is frequently what kills the melee. You see blms going down just as quick as thfs when the mages have to stand on the boss (like Delores).

Additionally, a melee in dt gear, swapping for ws/abils/spells, loses Accuracy, Double Attack, Triple Attack, Haste, Store TP, Refresh (blu mostly). To survive the boss, melee darn near have to gear like a pld and hit about as often as a pld (not quite, I know). Melee also eat status effects that hurt them (paralyze and blind) which require babysitting/remedies. Melee get amnesia which cannot be removed if it lands. Also not forgetting attack down, acc down defense down, magic defense down.

A mage in dt gear, swapping for nukes, refresh gear which is a non issue for blm/sch/whm and not much of an issue for the other casters. Mages get silenced, pop an echo and move on. How many bosses use mab/macc down or meva/mdef up? SMN would suffer some if required to wear dt gear (swapping for pet commands).

[dasva]

Or apex skeletons/pots. mnk burn 2016 yes please

[OmnysValefor]

I didn't say they don't work. I said they don't work nearly as well. The difference is staggering.

And yes, they need to consider where melee stand in all content of the game right now, because it's not a good spot.

[dasva]

Wut? Savage blade is great on fencer war.

[Ulth]

Wut? Savage blade is great on fencer war.

Right you are. Savage blade can be used effectively by pld, war, and rdm yet I never hear people complain about those jobs doing too much damage

[Hoshi]

Seems this thread has verged away a bit from the OP but reading the title all I could think of was how hellacious snatch morsel spam is going to be on a mob where you probably need sublime sushi to hit it. ;3

[Urthdigger]

Seems this thread has verged away a bit from the OP but reading the title all I could think of was how hellacious snatch morsel spam is going to be on a mob where you probably need sublime sushi to hit it. ;3

And then the tank eats food with evasion on it.

[Siviard]

I could see the Reflect trolling now.

Troll BLM casts Death on the Apex Colibri
Apex Colibri tries to Reflect Death
Troll BLM warps out!
Apex Colibri has Death "stored"
CP party tank pulls the Apex Colibri
CP party tank gets one-shotted by Death
Troll BLM LOLs

[OmnysValefor]

Seems this thread has verged away a bit from the OP but reading the title all I could think of was how hellacious snatch morsel spam is going to be on a mob where you probably need sublime sushi to hit it. ;3

And then the tank eats food with evasion on it.

Well, in my defense, I said in the OP that the evasion should be about 50 (maybe heavier) less than other mobs so that the parties without bard/cor/geo (because they can still happen) still can hit the mob, though Distract, Distract II do exist.

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I agree with Prometus.. why must people on these boards just be about deflating harmless ideas intended to help the playerbase? It would not take much development effort to create an Apex Colibri and would be a fun nostalgia trip for a lot of people. NIN tanking colibri was some of the most fun I ever had in this game, surrounded by several sleeping birds just waiting to try to kill you.

I guess i'll go back to

/yell {main} {Flash} {Can I have it?} {Front line job} {Can I have it?} GEO SCH BLM {Can I have it?}

Ignore the melee, they're not going to bosses anyway.

The original poster stated that two hand weapons get less accuracy from their main and sub slots, and I showed it wasn't the case. That should of been the end of it, but then you chimed in with something unrelated and false, and well I just can't stand people being wrong on the internet.

You did, you showed that with one series of weapons. Better damage weapons still suffer the same problem though.