which is better triplus or rapidus?

[Laphine]

yeah, 30% proc and 30 secs duration, and both increase linearly with tp. At 300tp we get 50% proc and 1.5min duration (and Rudras gets a huge ftp bonus to boot lol). I'm not totally sure on these aftermath increases but it's what friends told me. It might even be worthwhile to use a 300tp rudras every so often, idk. Anyway, if mandau is indeed 5% proc then it's like i posted, we have 30% damage boost (at 100-199tp) vs 10% damage boost.

In the end the old maxim still hold its name, shit is situational and more so for thief with sa/ta being a huge variable. There can be situations where sa/ta can be used freely just as much as situations that we have to forget them.

Raen meant that to full time the aftermath. It lasts 30 secs and we get 100tp in less than 20 secs. Since lv1 aftermath overwrites itself, we can ride it by spamming the ws. And that's what jobs with "good" ws have as an edge over us, they can just spam their ws and hack away, while we have to think of sa/ta timing an position. But if the aftermath didn't overwrite itself no one could ever have it up 100% of the time unless we timed its duration with our tp gain speed.

[Karbuncle]

Hmmm, I like Twasht, But if i had the choice I think i'd still go for Mandau

Besides, i have WAR, I could use these shells for Ukonvasa (which i am ;O)

[Alukat]

well i am sitting on a constant 3,4-4,1k MS (SA,only VV + RR and my old 75- gear,the 3rd atma was a resistance atma, yeah i like safe fight over max dmg output)
on duo or trio i like to equip mandau + rapidus sax, so i can stick sa or ta for mercy stroke and have enough attack speed to do evisceration with MS aftermath (yeah it really loves the crit rate+)
did dynamis xarcabard a couple days ago and i was sitting on a constant 1,3-1,5k sa't MS (equiped th5 all time)
th 5 all time: i recognized that if i get th6 on the initial sa attack. the next proc will be 6 again after removing th5 hands.

Edit: for atma sitting at str+200 is anyway enough to have it capped.str+250 made no difference

[Ryozen]

WSC doesn't cap.

[Alukat]

WSC doesn't cap.

then explain pls why i do the same dmg with str+200 and str+250 on a 60% STR WSC ws ^^

[Ryozen]

Eyeballing error, non-identical conditions, and POIDH

[RaenRyong]

the plural of anecdote is not data

[noodles355]

Ah, see what you're asking. Honestly not sure. Like I said, I haven't seen conclusive parses that TH gear does anything besides set the initial bar. MKris build would be the way to test that, I guess.

TH procs can only land on the first hit.

Fairly simple (yet mind-numbing) test. I've been tempted to do it to put a very good player in my linkshell in his place. He's good at his other jobs, but insists on fulltiming it as "in his experiance wearing TH gear increases the chance of level up". I think it's bullshit. TH for start value only.

Anyway. Equip Rapidus/Thief's Knife/Homam hands for one set of data, Rapidus/Fane Baselard/Assassin's Armlets for the other. Keep all other gear the same (Un-augmented Fane Baselard has similar DPS to Thief's Knife). This will remove any variables due to hitting the mob more or less with one set over the other (If you use a much higher DPS dagger than Thf's knife for the 2nd set, you'll be averaging less swings per mob (and less chance at TH procs) as each hit will be stronger. Rapidus is purely for it's low delay.

Select an enemy that doesn't have a Def+ or Att- TP move, so killspeed continues to remain the same. Do not WS (As it can proc on WS but is invisible and will skew results). Find a EM~ mob so defence isn't a problem and you can test without casting utsusemi. If you can, bring a mage to heal you for your lack of utsu and to act as a potential TA partner. DO NOT Swap gear. Especially if you TA. It is possible that the chance for TH level up proc is related to the damage of the strike, which would explain why AF3+1/2 hands seem to increase proc rate, because they significantly increase SA damage. The same could be true for TA damage if you used AF+1 vs AF2.

Then measure your results by number of mobs or number of strikes. Don't measure it over a set period of time as it will be dependant on running between mobs, and also because homam hands will make you kill 3% faster in the non-TH set.

Finally, when doing the non-TH set, make sure to equip your TH gear for the first strike before swapping to non-TH gear so that the starting level of TH is the same for both sets of data.

[Karbuncle]

I could have sworn at some point I had TH Proc on Second/Third hit, Maybe If you miss main-hand Second hit will Upgrade?

You're probably right but i could swear i was fighting a mob at one point and TH upgraded on my second/third swing. :|

[Khajit]

Can TH proc in campaign. You could probably test it out via attacking fortifications if it does.