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    Player Kraggy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grekumah View Post
    As we’ve mentioned before, the development team has no plans to change the range at which beastmasters can use commands. As Matsui previously stated, we want beastmasters to be close range battle jobs and bear the risk of taking damage in the front line. This change was made, because players were using beastmaster to attack from the back line, and this was against what the development team had intended for beastmaster.
    At what point over the last 11+ years did this come to be, it certainly WAS NOT the way the job was created and released!

    I guess another sad example of an MMO where the original devs leave and those that come after feel the need to 'improve' the original devs' work and instead simply destroy it.

    /golfclap
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    Player Vold's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grekumah View Post
    As we’ve mentioned before, the development team has no plans to change the range at which beastmasters can use commands. As Matsui previously stated, we want beastmasters to be close range battle jobs and bear the risk of taking damage in the front line. This change was made, because players were using beastmaster to attack from the back line, and this was against what the development team had intended for beastmaster.
    Since BST has been doing this since forever because no dev could be bothered to spend serious time on making a pet job equal to the rest of the game's DD personal, I am forced to reply with the following: So, you're saying you started caring about BST the moment it started to dominate end game content for the first time in 14 years, so in response to all the complaints of 14 year long spoiled non BST players, you crippled BST. Hm. Yeah. That's pretty much in line with what the devs have done to deal with "problem jobs" for 14 years.

    But this isn't really about that, now is it? People took this bitter nerf pill, but it's turning out to be a poison pill instead. It sounds like I shouldn't even bother ever touching my BST again if BST mains are finding your adjustments seriously flawed.
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    Player Shiyo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grekumah View Post
    As we’ve mentioned before, the development team has no plans to change the range at which beastmasters can use commands. As Matsui previously stated, we want beastmasters to be close range battle jobs and bear the risk of taking damage in the front line. This change was made, because players were using beastmaster to attack from the back line, and this was against what the development team had intended for beastmaster.
    Great!
    I am glad the dev team team feels this way, makes the game a lot more enjoyable for me.

    Keep up the amazing work!
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    Player Gwydion's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiyo View Post
    Great!
    I am glad the dev team team feels this way, makes the game a lot more enjoyable for me.

    Keep up the amazing work!

    I find it ironic that SMN is allowed to utilize this technique but Beastmaster cannot. I hope the play styles of all pet jobs are adjusted accordingly.
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    Player Xilk's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grekumah View Post
    As we’ve mentioned before, the development team has no plans to change the range at which beastmasters can use commands. As Matsui previously stated, we want beastmasters to be close range battle jobs and bear the risk of taking damage in the front line. This change was made, because players were using beastmaster to attack from the back line, and this was against what the development team had intended for beastmaster.
    This really needs to be reconsidered. In the very least it shows no one on dev team has tested how the change affects normal play. Adding better defensive gear for both master and pet (ie Pangu) has been a great idea to encourage bst to be a front line job. However, killing the range for pet commands is a terrible way to do it..

    The command range reduction actually causes more trouble with close range fights. its too small for close range fights. If I move around the target, I unexpectedly fail to issue commands because I am too far from my pet. I cannot kite and cure my pet. I have to spend more attention on making sure I am in range so my pet doesn't completely fail. its harder to balance master and pet at the same time so why bother? Trying to force compliance for job playstyle is just saying "Don't play this job" You should enable creativity instead of trying to stifle it.


    The fundamental problem that makes the short range no good, is because bst must sacrifice pet buffs for master buffs or vice versa. This means that bst will never be good enough in a group situation to be on the front line. It would need an ability like Dragoon to pass buffs to pet for that to work. So why force it when there are stronger reasons to punish the player for playing how Matsui san says?

    There is this funny thing in the community that is very old:
    There has long been hatred towards beastmasters. This goes way back to at least 2004.
    Part was from the exp penalty on the party. The other part was because many players used Beastmaster to Harass groups and behave badly in the game a long time ago.
    Beastmaster was very useful job to MpK large groups of players.

    I never did anything like that. However, once I started really enjoying playing beastmaster, I experienced alot of it. It still surprises me that such a thing exists.

    There are even players who claim credit for the range nerf as a result of their constant complaining and they are happy to punish beastmasters.
    This animosity is very strange.

    Did Matsui-san get harassed by a beastmaster player before?
    It is hard not to think something like this.

    Even if you do not restore pet command range to where it was, it should be at least 10 yalms from the pet. This would at least get rid of the trouble of giving commands WHILE master is engaged also.
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    Last edited by Xilk; 11-02-2019 at 05:47 AM.
    Choh Moui | Rongo-Nango | Lhu Mhakaracca | Lungo-Nango | Nyumomo
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    Player NimrodXI's Avatar
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    Oh ! Really sad to hear the decision of developers. Ill particularly change mind, instead of waiting for the free pass to end, ill quit now.
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    Today, I will do my talking with my wallet. I won't be buying another Square Enix game and cancelled my pre-order for Final Fantasy XV.
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    Like others, we've been spending $50/mo for over a decade. We're so deeply invested in the game that SE will get a few more payments for our three accounts and mules while we wrap up our concluding goals and then like others we will now also refuse to buy any future SE game.

    Breaking a job, ignoring feedback - they're literally pushing us out the door. Weird way to run a business.
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    Player Angemon's Avatar
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    Geeze being a little extreme aren't you people? BST can still do the SAME stuff they did before except now they are forced to run into danger. Yes its a nerf but the job still functions the same and people still want BST for everything. I think you are being a little extreme here.
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    Player Moncho23's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angemon View Post
    Geeze being a little extreme aren't you people? BST can still do the SAME stuff they did before except now they are forced to run into danger. Yes its a nerf but the job still functions the same and people still want BST for everything. I think you are being a little extreme here.
    Sure, I could just switch jobs like many others who only plays a job when is needed forevents, I could also just take whatever SE and the dev teams give us an move on , or I can Also protest and quit the game... Im also a BST and today is my last day farewell FFXI, was nice and fun .
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