FFXI crossover event comming to FFXIV

[Vanfrano]

Here http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1228600/.
I left before Alex Savage, seeing as Heavensward was the exact same joke as ARR... and just like I did during 2.0, I came back running to dear Vana'diel.
On the other hand, I'd probably still play if the game was more like FFXIV 1.23.

[Masamune11]

Here http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1228600/.
I left before Alex Savage, seeing as Heavensward was the exact same joke as ARR... and just like I did during 2.0, I came back running to dear Vana'diel.
On the other hand, I'd probably still play if the game was more like FFXIV 1.23.

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. You probably wouldn't call FFXIV garbage though? You obviously (at a time) found it enjoyable enough to invest a large amount of time into it. I would fair to venture you'll likely return? I personally think both are great games and I like the option to be able to play both. I just find it absurd when someone says that they think SE is killing FFXI to bring more people to FFXIV.

[Vanfrano]

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. You probably wouldn't call FFXIV garbage though? You obviously (at a time) found it enjoyable enough to invest a large amount of time into it. I would fair to venture you'll likely return? I personally think both are great games and I like the option to be able to play both. I just find it absurd when someone says that they think SE is killing FFXI to bring more people to FFXIV.

To be honest, I never enjoyed FFXIV since 2.0. I played because my friends were there, most of us left around 2.2 seeing as everything was going to be the same with each and every update. Some of us came back for Heavensward to judge by ourselves and we ended up leaving again. We probably won't come back again this time unless there is a major change in this game's vision, which will never happen I think.
Regarding SE, I hope -for them- that they know that most of the people who are still playing FFXI now will never play FFXIV or they would have already done so. Anyway, too bad for them, the quality of their last games and especially FFXIV is really questionable so once they close FFXI that will be less money for them from me and other people as this is probably going to be my last FF.

As far as I'm concerned, SE became devoid of any passion for their games and respect for their players. Their only focus is money. FFXIV (and Yoshida) is the perfect representation of what became of SE.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

To be honest, I never enjoyed FFXIV since 2.0. I played because my friends were there, most of us left around 2.2 seeing as everything was going to be the same with each and every update. Some of us came back for Heavensward to judge by ourselves and we ended up leaving again. We probably won't come back again this time unless there is a major change in this game's vision, which will never happen I think.
Regarding SE, I hope -for them- that they know that most of the people who are still playing FFXI now will never play FFXIV or they would have already done so. Anyway, too bad for them, the quality of their last games and especially FFXIV is really questionable so once they close FFXI that will be less money for them from me and other people as this is probably going to be my last FF.

As far as I'm concerned, SE became devoid of any passion for their games and respect for their players. Their only focus is money. FFXIV (and Yoshida) is the perfect representation of what became of SE.

I'm not sure the few playing still on FFXI will bother them much, especially when most will still pay the fee month after month when the updates stop.

[Alhanelem]

Fair enough. I respect your opinion. You probably wouldn't call FFXIV garbage though? You obviously (at a time) found it enjoyable enough to invest a large amount of time into it. I would fair to venture you'll likely return? I personally think both are great games and I like the option to be able to play both. I just find it absurd when someone says that they think SE is killing FFXI to bring more people to FFXIV.

The're adding brand new systems during HW, so it's not really hte same old "joke" (not that it was a "joke" before). As I explained earlier in the thread, many of the recent patches to FFXI have also followed the same pattern, adding new job points/gifts, extending the story, adding new boss battles, etc. I'm actively playing both games on different days and I love them both, I'm just sick of seeing this argument when the game's development cycles are more similar than anyone is willing to admit.

Are there really this many people that hate FFXIV? I can completely understand if FFXI is more your cup of tea. But I'm surprised at how many people are calling FFXIV garbage. I used to think the same about WoW. I even played WoW for a few months - but I never got to endgame. That's the key. You really can't judge a game until you've seen its endgame content.

You're on the FF11 forum. Nearly everyone that's stilll playing at this point has massive resentment for FFXIV's mere existence, regardless of how good or bad they might think it is if they played it. It could be the best game on planet earth (I definitely wouldn't go that far) and they would still hate it just because it exists.

Of course, the same is also true on the FF14 forum, anyone that writes anything praising FF11 or saying they should implement something from it gets the same sort of treatment over there. People willing to look at both in an objective manner are rare.

Also, though I never played either of them I'm wiling to bet the same sort of thing happened with Everquest and Everquest 2.

[Jin_Uzuki]

lol Alhanelem. I've seen you defending FFXIV bad choices ever since the beta on FFXIV forums...


The amount of content Matsui has been put out with his tiny budged compared to Yoshi-P and his "top mmorpg" staff is simply amazing. In FFXIV everything feel the same, while in FFXI even content like Escha managed to have an unique feeling and it's actually exiting. I guess it has to do with FFXI having a stronger bases that allows the player to be creative and free, it has stats, JA and horizontal progression, while FFXIV is more like an exercise of repetition that gets numb after a while.

[Alhanelem]

lol Alhanelem. I've seen you defending FFXIV bad choices ever since the beta on FFXIV forums...


The amount of content Matsui has been put out with his tiny budged compared to Yoshi-P and his "top mmorpg" staff is simply amazing. In FFXIV everything feel the same, while in FFXI even content like Escha managed to have an unique feeling and it's actually exiting. I guess it has to do with FFXI having a stronger bases that allows the player to be creative and free, it has stats, JA and horizontal progression, while FFXIV is more like an exercise of repetition that gets numb after a while.

Amount of content? It's all rehashed content. It's not like they developed actual new systems for new features or anything. They're all just variations on existing themes amd mehcanics. It's no different than what's going on in FFXIV. Every FFXI update has some combination of new high tier mission fights (rehashes of old mission fights), new job points/gifts, and other BCNMs that are rehashes of existing ones (e.g. harder versions of old BCNMs, the avatars, etc.). The esha areas are literally a recolor of existing areas with different enemies and a different backstory. Ignoring these facts just speaks to your extreme bias. But, since you're lavishing FFXI with praise while bashing FFXIV, you're going to get the likes around here while more objective people like me who look at all sides get insulted (like with the opening to your response) and scorned.

Whilst saying this, I too am impressed with what the FFXI team has accomplished, but I say so without downplaying that FFXIV has done. FFXI is as fun as it's ever been, and that's why I came back- In spite of what I said above, they managed to to use the same material while adding some freshness to it. But I also enjoy and appriciate what FFXIV's team has done.

Beyond that, what you consider "bad choices" may be considered by others to be good choices. Who died and made your opinion the only one that counts? How about you stop attacking the person and try being objective for once? Your response only proves the point I made in my previous post. I'm not really even trying to defend anything so much as trying to get people to view things with a more objective eye. But it seems like I'd have more success trying to train siberian tigers.

As far as I'm concerned, SE became devoid of any passion for their games and respect for their players. Their only focus is money. FFXIV (and Yoshida) is the perfect representation of what became of SE.

I think it's pretty absurd to argue that the FFXIV team doesn't have passion for what they're making. The company may support them because it's making money, but the reason it's making money is because the team making the product is clearly passionate about what they're making. And respecting their players? Huge swaths of changes to the game are directly based on player feedback (while over here we're screaming for them to fix the BST they broke and they don't seem to be listening).

[Jin_Uzuki]

Amount of content? It's all rehashed content. It's not like they developed actual new systems for new features or anything. They're all just variations on existing themes amd mehcanics. It's no different than what's going on in FFXIV. Every FFXI update has some combination of new high tier mission fights (rehashes of old mission fights), new job points/gifts, and other BCNMs that are rehashes of existing ones (e.g. harder versions of old BCNMs, the avatars, etc.). The esha areas are literally a recolor of existing areas with different enemies and a different backstory. Ignoring these facts just speaks to your extreme bias. But, since you're lavishing FFXI with praise while bashing FFXIV, you're going to get the likes around here while more objective people like me who look at all sides get insulted (like with the opening to your response) and scorned.

Whilst saying this, I too am impressed with what the FFXI team has accomplished, but I say so without downplaying that FFXIV has done. FFXI is as fun as it's ever been, and that's why I came back- In spite of what I said above, they managed to to use the same material while adding some freshness to it. But I also enjoy and appriciate what FFXIV's team has done.

Beyond that, what you consider "bad choices" may be considered by others to be good choices. Who died and made your opinion the only one that counts? How about you stop attacking the person and try being objective for once? Your response only proves the point I made in my previous post. I'm not really even trying to defend anything so much as trying to get people to view things with a more objective eye. But it seems like I'd have more success trying to train siberian tigers.

Sad thing is, the majority of FFXIV fanbase agreed with you and Yoshi-P "awesome" vision of the game back then, and look what we got. An empty game with no content and bad itemization. An exercise of numbness.

Hopefully Matsui or someone else will be put in charge of the next FF MMORPG.

[Alhanelem]

Sad thing is, the majority of FFXIV fanbase agreed with you and Yoshi-P "awesome" vision of the game back then, and look what we got. An empty game with no content and bad itemization. An exercise of numbness.

Hopefully Matsui or someone else will be put in charge of the next FF MMORPG.

There's nothing sad about a bunch of players enjoying a game. Your comments reek of hatred for the sake of such (e.g. trolling) as they have no basis in reality.

Hopefully Matsui or someone else will be put in charge of the next FF MMORPG.

Hopefully they won't ever make another one because of the resentment it will inevitably breed.

[BurnNotice]

IMO, FFXIV is a good game for many, just not a good game for me. I gave it about 6 months, learn some great things, met some cool people, and enjoyed a really good storyline. However, continuing to play FFXIV was like trying to make a bad relationship work when it wouldn't. I just couldn't find what I found in FFXI. That sense of accomplishment, the long days waiting to for NMs to spawn and running with your 18~36 LS members to claim it, an engaging storyline like ROZ, COP, TAU, WOTG, ect. It was something special. I am not saying I was expecting that from FFXIV (too old and have a family to do that now lol).

I have to say my son and his friends/cousins loves to play FFXIV. They enjoy it like I enjoy FFXI. FFXIV has drawn a large, new audience to entertain. Clearly the game is for the new blood and maybe a handful of FFXI Vets/Retirees. As much as I respect and appreciate FFXIV and have a couple of subs for my son, I personally am more connect to FFXI and I will retire with it and move back to console games.

FYI, I still play FF8.