BST ready/sic/reward range

[Frankbrodie]

That picture Skyrant posted isn't even the worst situation I've seen.

I think it might be to do with Taru's being smaller, but on a Taru mule I was in a direct straight line with my pet in front of the mob.
Me at probably close to minimum distance. I had run in after setting pet on the mob. (A large pot, so mob size might be a factor too.)
And my tiger pet behind me at what would be maximum melee distance we can assume.

And I got the out of range message.

[Fynlar]

By definition, the baseline is the baseline. If you make 1000 dollars a month, that is your base pay. If you get bonus pay for doing something that benefits the company particularly well, that is a bonus. You are not penalized for not going above and beyond and out of your way to do something.

I don't think you have a good grasp of the mentality of MMO players.

If it's an event where rare/valuable drops are desired, whatever offers the best drop rate *will* become the "baseline" and anything else will be deemed "inferior"; that's just the way the playerbase is

It goes with pretty much anything else in the game where something can be rated against others. If you are not the best DD, it means you're a terrible DD, etc.

[Alhanelem]

By definition, the baseline is the baseline. If you make 1000 dollars a month, that is your base pay. If you get bonus pay for doing something that benefits the company particularly well,

Like I said, to me, there's a difference from being rewarded for good performance and skill and being rewarded for something that has nothing directly to do with skill and performance. Also, I could be denied a performance bonus at a job just because the boss doesn't like me and not because I'm not doing a good job, which makes it seem like a penalty.

[machini]

Like I said, to me, there's a difference from being rewarded for good performance and skill and being rewarded for something that has nothing directly to do with skill and performance. Also, I could be denied a performance bonus at a job just because the boss doesn't like me and not because I'm not doing a good job, which makes it seem like a penalty.

If you think beating, say, an Avatar II fight on VD with WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR isn't harder than doing it on PLD RNG RNG WHM BRD COR, I don't think we have anything further to discuss.

I don't think you have a good grasp of the mentality of MMO players.

If it's an event where rare/valuable drops are desired, whatever offers the best drop rate *will* become the "baseline" and anything else will be deemed "inferior"; that's just the way the playerbase is

It goes with pretty much anything else in the game where something can be rated against others. If you are not the best DD, it means you're a terrible DD, etc.

Yes, I'm a mythic DNC, and I routinely tell everyone else in my linkshell to not even bother leveling DD jobs, they're all **** compared to me and to not even bother trying.

Oh wait, I don't do that.

That sort of mentality that you are possessed of is part of the problem with this community.

[machini]

Actually, I'm gonna go ahead and continue to bite here.

Examples, continuing with Avatar II fights, since these are where I have actually had people get upset that "wrong" party set ups do better than the "correct" ways.

Virtually every Avatar II D run I have been on that I have not personally put together has been PLD RNG RNG WHM BRD COR. The very few that were not that were various strategies relying on Scherzo which rarely seemed to work for one reason or another.

PLD RNG RNG WHM BRD COR works. It is kind of hard to screw up. It's also really slow, and not very good, and doesn't get a high TH value for good rewards.

So people start trying other set ups. Maybe they eventually realize that a DD/RUN DD/RUN DD/RUN WHM BRD COR set up with DDs who understand the concept of -DT gear works, and faster, and you can even bring along a THF for high levels of Treasure Hunter. So now we have things other than PLD and RNG being taken. Sure, those are probably gonna be mostly MNK and SAM, knowing the community, along with THF, but you will also have the occasional WAR, DRG, or lolDNC. So now have the job diversity rising from 5 jobs, to, still a core of WHM BRD COR, but those remaining three slots can be varied, which means that more people are getting to play more jobs than just the same old thing every time and might actually get to play jobs they enjoy playing and clearing content at the same time than having to play jobs they don't enjoy but are the only thing they can get to clear content on because that's the 'only' way it's done.

So now, once people realize that, wow, you can actually clear those fights with other set ups than the PLD and RNG set up, you have a greater variety in jobs taken. And since everyone is taking WHM BRD and COR still, there will be an impetus to find other things that can fill those slots. Take a good SCH instead of a WHM, GEO instead of BRD, maybe a SMN instead of COR. Mix it up.

So now, not only is their greater variety in what jobs get taken, which means more people get to play the jobs they actually want to play, but they're also getting better rewards for doing that.

There will, of course, be a search for set ups that give the best rewards, but that means that people are purposefully trying to create compositions out of little-used jobs.

Which means that... horrible thought... people are getting to have fun, and are encouraged to try to be new and inventive, and to take those people who play jobs which they previously would have verbally abused them for asking to come as, and trying to find ways to make more and more non-traditional set ups work.

It's become pretty clear at this point that without incentive to do things new, differently, and inventively, we're going to spend the rest of the life of this game doing nothing but throwing the exact same things at content until the servers go down.

[Sogoro]

I am up for trying out different combinations but I am on during JP prime time.

[Alhanelem]

If you think beating, say, an Avatar II fight on VD with WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR isn't harder than doing it on PLD RNG RNG WHM BRD COR, I don't think we have anything further to discuss.

We can list all kinds of arbitrary job combinations. Some will be "hard" and some will not. But that's beside the point because you didn't say "only stupidly deliberately hard job combinations will award the bonus", you said anything other than the most popular combination(s) will award the bonus. Your example is ridiculous hyperbole.

If only something utterly ridiculous (and probably impossible) like you said would award the bonus, then it would be pointless to have in the first place. There's no way that would have the desired effect.

It's become pretty clear at this point that without incentive to do things new, differently, and inventively, we're going to spend the rest of the life of this game doing nothing but throwing the exact same things at content until the servers go down.

We don't need incentives for this. Find like minded people who want to try something different like you and go to town. This isn't even a balance issue- some jobs are better for some fights just by the nature of the fight itself.. If you want to make more job options available, then adjust the fight itself, not the rewards or the jobs.

This discussion doesn't belong in a thread about BST anymore, your suggestion doesn't even have anything to do with that at this point.

[Olor]

I am not sure what the point is about arguing about a system the devs would never implement (even if they wanted to, I just don't see how)... either way it's not on topic. BST was not OP when we had range. Lots of jobs were getting invited to things. If jobs aren't getting invited - I support buffing them.

But really I just want to be able to have fun on BST again. Current range is NOT FUN AT ALL.

[Gwydion]

I sincerely hope we get a response from SE.

[Frankbrodie]

Mysterious 90 minute maintenance going down right now..

Fingers crossed guys and gals ^^