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  1. #41
    Player Skyrant_Kangaroomouse's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olor View Post
    I wouldn't be. We still can't gear for both master and pet. If they want us to engage they have to make us stop choosing which of us is going to whiff.
    15 yalm was SMN range before this ridiculous change so you would still have to run in but you need to time it. It's very doable while 5 yalms is just not doable either engaged or running in.
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    Is 20 dmg for the hit like 30 dmg if a RNG shoots?

    No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?
    How i mine for fish?
    Try BST BST COR GEO WHM BRD You can melee and fight with your pet..

  2. #42
    Player bazookatooth's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse View Post
    15 yalm was SMN range before this ridiculous change so you would still have to run in but you need to time it. It's very doable while 5 yalms is just not doable either engaged or running in.
    Summoner does stupid high damage every 30 seconds. Bst does avg. Damage every 10 seconds. You can't run in and out in any meaningful way.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olor View Post
    I wouldn't be. We still can't gear for both master and pet. If they want us to engage they have to make us stop choosing which of us is going to whiff.
    Being able to engage is ok, but beeing forced to is not.

    Melee is alot more fun on other jobs, Beastmaster is, well, the king of beasts. And as such it's fun to through it on stuff, perform some actions with your beast and feel the power of it.
    It's a bit boring in today's bst groups, yes, but solo or lowman it was fun and rewarding.
    The range is part of it.
    And this aspect is broken for me now, completly. You are in a cage now, not a master anymore.

    ... this besides all technical facts.
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  4. #44
    Player Keido's Avatar
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    Best thing ever...

    Hardcore BST players are already adjusting and picking up new ways to play. Bandwagoner's are falling off or attempting to really adjust. If you all truly love the job so much as you claim you do then you can adjust and figure out a way to work the system.

    Try BST BST COR GEO WHM BRD You can melee and fight with your pet. You just cant be lazy and unprepared anymore and beat any content by never dying. I know you might have to learn what pets do what instead of Blackbeard Randy or Scissorleg Xerin spam everything. Its false that you cant play the job anymore and its false that it was always intended as a solo job. This is or was a MMORPG if your not sure what that acronym means look it up. Good BST will and can find spots in parties that work. Think outside the box.

    I also think the change to SMN was stupid but then I melee on SMN so I guess I am weird.
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  5. #45
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    Please don't insult other players.
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  6. 09-19-2015 07:20 AM

  7. #46
    Player Skyrant_Kangaroomouse's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keido View Post
    Best thing ever...

    Hardcore BST players are already adjusting and picking up new ways to play. Bandwagoner's are falling off or attempting to really adjust. If you all truly love the job so much as you claim you do then you can adjust and figure out a way to work the system.

    Try BST BST COR GEO WHM BRD You can melee and fight with your pet. You just cant be lazy and unprepared anymore and beat any content by never dying. I know you might have to learn what pets do what instead of Blackbeard Randy or Scissorleg Xerin spam everything. Its false that you cant play the job anymore and its false that it was always intended as a solo job. This is or was a MMORPG if your not sure what that acronym means look it up. Good BST will and can find spots in parties that work. Think outside the box.

    I also think the change to SMN was stupid but then I melee on SMN so I guess I am weird.

    I can see you live in a fantasy world. If BST needs 3 Buffers to be viable then it is broken. 3 Slots in a party just to give BST and Pet a chance at actually hitting the Monster. Do you know how ridiculous that is? Even with your fantasy setup of COR, GEO and BRD you will not hit anything on Zi'tah T2 NM's. Either the BST or the Pet will whiff not to mention they will be without a pet and dead in under 5 minutes.

    Your fantasy setup might work for CP parties but not for end game content.
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    Is 20 dmg for the hit like 30 dmg if a RNG shoots?

    No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?
    How i mine for fish?
    Try BST BST COR GEO WHM BRD You can melee and fight with your pet..

  8. #47
    Player Malthar's Avatar
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    BST Lv 99
    I got it. Add a 1200 jp gift that increases sic/ready and reward distance to 20'. The career bst's already have 1200 while the bandwagons only went to 100 and wouldn't care to spend the time to go up to 1200.
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  9. #48
    Player Jile's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keido View Post
    Best thing ever...
    And when they tell you NIN can only cast spells when you are 24 yalms away because your too powerful being able to use shadows near a mob... that would be the best thing ever right?

    Taking a normal function and making it unusable is not the best thing ever, its poor design and needs repaired. BST is not playable for anything of value after this nerfdate and it needs undone.
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  10. #49
    Player bazookatooth's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse View Post
    I can see you live in a fantasy world. If BST needs 3 Buffers to be viable then it is broken. 3 Slots in a party just to give BST and Pet a chance at actually hitting the Monster. Do you know how ridiculous that is? Even with your fantasy setup of COR, GEO and BRD you will not hit anything on Zi'tah T2 NM's. Either the BST or the Pet will whiff not to mention they will be without a pet and dead in under 5 minutes.

    Your fantasy setup might work for CP parties but not for end game content.
    Not to mention that replacing one of the BSTs with a BRD and / or a WHM is a decrease of 33%~ in damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keido View Post
    Best thing ever...

    Hardcore BST players are already adjusting and picking up new ways to play. Bandwagoner's are falling off or attempting to really adjust. If you all truly love the job so much as you claim you do then you can adjust and figure out a way to work the system.

    Try BST BST COR GEO WHM BRD You can melee and fight with your pet. You just cant be lazy and unprepared anymore and beat any content by never dying. I know you might have to learn what pets do what instead of Blackbeard Randy or Scissorleg Xerin spam everything. Its false that you cant play the job anymore and its false that it was always intended as a solo job. This is or was a MMORPG if your not sure what that acronym means look it up. Good BST will and can find spots in parties that work. Think outside the box.

    I also think the change to SMN was stupid but then I melee on SMN so I guess I am weird.
    There will always be ways. But do they make sense? If you have whm cor geo brd you would take bst x 2 as DD? This is totally outside the box, here you are right. Would rather fill up the spots with 2x Blu and get powerful light SC with CDC back to back + its much safer. Magic barrier, barrier tusk, saline coat, ...all can be set while still having awesome damage output. Not to mention mighty guard. But maybe its "Hardcore" to go the inefficient route, what do i know.
    Learning about pets? Seriously? You mean stuff like elemetal resistance, sc properties, damage type i'd assume. This is occassionally good to know, yes. But mostly tiger and grasshopper simply pulls ahead. That's why you see them so often.
    I agree, Bsts can still find spots in party, but only on lower content. Like a D battlefield or a unity, above that it gets hairy. Reason see above.

    At the end i think you also might have to learn a bit about the game mechanics before you want to teach everyone, what is possible and what not. And how we have to accept a job breaking adjustment because we love the job. And if we don't we do not love it? It's really weird.
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    Last edited by Arthos; 09-19-2015 at 09:28 AM.

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