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  1. #31
    Player Elexia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    It seems pretty silly to put this sort of limitation on BSTs only, and not SMNs and PUPs.

    Honestly, at this stage of the game's life, it was pretty silly to do this, period.
    SMN had issues (for more severe than BST ever did) for the longest and they finally got them in a good spot over the years. PUP had it's own set of issues (largely attachment availability as well) and after adjustments was put in a nice spot. Why would they put limitation on SMN and PUPs? SMN had range problems for so long and let's not even get into perp cost and treating them more as a back up healer in the very early years.
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    Dark Knight ~ 90: Yes I actually use a Scythe.

  2. #32
    Player kylani's Avatar
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    Kyrai
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    Fenrir
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    RDM Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    SMN had issues (for more severe than BST ever did) for the longest and they finally got them in a good spot over the years. PUP had it's own set of issues (largely attachment availability as well) and after adjustments was put in a nice spot. Why would they put limitation on SMN and PUPs? SMN had range problems for so long and let's not even get into perp cost and treating them more as a back up healer in the very early years.
    I agree with you (though I'd argue BST has also had severe issues, albeit different. I've duoed with SMN and PUP, and we've commiserated over the years), but why do this to BST either? Particularly to this level. Would you like to be unable to do Avatar moves even if you were meleeing right beside your pet because your pet wasn't close enough?
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  3. #33
    Player Fynlar's Avatar
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    Fynlar
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    Lakshmi
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    SMN had issues (for more severe than BST ever did) for the longest and they finally got them in a good spot over the years.
    SMN had a lot of desirability for many endgame events for a while thanks to Perfect Defense.

    Tell me when BSTs have ever been desired for content by anyone except other pet jobs.

    Why would they put limitation on SMN and PUPs?
    Why would they put one on BST?
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  4. #34
    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Tahngarthor
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    Shiva
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    SMN Lv 99
    SMN had a lot of desirability for many endgame events for a while thanks to Perfect Defense.
    It wasn't all that cool being known for our 2-hour and nothing else.
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  5. #35
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    I just want the old range back. Anything else it not acceptable.
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  6. #36
    Player Skyrant_Kangaroomouse's Avatar
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    Asura
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    NIN Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    SMN had issues (for more severe than BST ever did) for the longest and they finally got them in a good spot over the years. PUP had it's own set of issues (largely attachment availability as well) and after adjustments was put in a nice spot. Why would they put limitation on SMN and PUPs? SMN had range problems for so long and let's not even get into perp cost and treating them more as a back up healer in the very early years.
    SMN has had no issues at all for years now. They even get their own personal end game gear and plenty of rings. On SMN i am never in any danger, even before the now ridiculous range.

    BST is now broken because the gear is one sided:

    If i augment my end game gear for melee my pet can't hit the mobs.
    If i augment my end game gear for my pet then i can't hit the mobs.

    You can't have it both ways, SE

    Argosy Armor Set Not a single pet stat on it. Not a single path for Pet stats.
    Lustratio Armor Set Not a single pet stat on it. Not a single path for Pet stats.
    Rao Armor Set One pet Path. Not enough Accuracy for either pet or Beastmaster to hit 1100+ needed for endgame.
    Emicho Armor Set 2 Pet Paths. Pet or Beastmaster can hit 1100+ accuracy needed for endgame.

    I have been a BST (and SMN) since the beginning of the game when BST would still charm. They forced BST to be like SMN with jug pets and i accepted it and adjusted my gameplay. I started a Mythic for BST and now SE ruins the job completely. I want to change my Mythic now. If i can't do that or they don't adjust this ridiculous change i will let my subscription lapse. There are plenty of other games out there.
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    Last edited by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse; 09-19-2015 at 02:32 AM.
    Is 20 dmg for the hit like 30 dmg if a RNG shoots?

    No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?
    How i mine for fish?
    Try BST BST COR GEO WHM BRD You can melee and fight with your pet..

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    Player bazookatooth's Avatar
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    Asura
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    THF Lv 1
    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    It wasn't all that cool being known for our 2-hour and nothing else.
    Except that during that entire time, no one wanted BST for anything, period. There was no reason to nerf any of these jobs. Despite the hyperbole on this forum claiming that everything is BST onry, none of these jobs are as popular as BLU or THF.
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  8. #38
    Player Jile's Avatar
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    In theory it would be nice to be able to draw my axes in battle and contribute from the master-side but no gear is designed with master and pet both in mind, at the same time. Please, simply undo the range-nerf as at this stage of the game I don't want any developer time wasted trying to make BST usable again after forcing us to play 100% differently than we (ever) have.

    Many other things need developer attention. The fact BST is powerful once an hour on relevant content isn't enough of a reason to ruin the job in 100% of situations. Please just restore the ranges to what they were pre-nerf and lets move on to more important things needing addressed before we lose precious developer time.
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  9. #39
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    Asura
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    NIN Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthos View Post
    I just want the old range back. Anything else it not acceptable.
    I would be more than happy with a 10-15 yalm range instead of this ridiculous 5 yalm nonsense.
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    Is 20 dmg for the hit like 30 dmg if a RNG shoots?

    No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?
    How i mine for fish?
    Try BST BST COR GEO WHM BRD You can melee and fight with your pet..

  10. #40
    Player Olor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse View Post
    I would be more than happy with a 10-15 yalm range instead of this ridiculous 5 yalm nonsense.
    I wouldn't be. We still can't gear for both master and pet. If they want us to engage they have to make us stop choosing which of us is going to whiff.
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