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    Player Olor's Avatar
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    Seriously can the bst haters at least admit they overdid this nerf? We should at least be able to solo.
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    Player Kensagaku's Avatar
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    ...Why are we repeating things in two different threads? Seriously? Spamming's just going to get the threads locked and no progress made. Answer once, leave it at that.

    That being said, I agree with this being a poor choice of range. Something more akin to swapping SMN and BST's ranges would have been more tolerable; having to run in and out might put us at risk, but that's where our choice of timing comes in. Sure, we're going to lose DPS, but at least we're not nearly as useless as we are now. Because of our need to gear for two instead of one, the way things currently are, BST is unplayable. Either your pet dies quickly, leaving you with rather weak damage, or you die, leaving you with no damage. Either you hit, meaning your pet misses and does less damage, or your pet hits, and you miss and do less damage. We are in desperate need of hybridized gear, and a slight range increase so that we don't have to stand directly on top of our pet to do things.
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    Player Fynlar's Avatar
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    It seems pretty silly to put this sort of limitation on BSTs only, and not SMNs and PUPs.

    Honestly, at this stage of the game's life, it was pretty silly to do this, period.
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    Player Elexia's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    It seems pretty silly to put this sort of limitation on BSTs only, and not SMNs and PUPs.

    Honestly, at this stage of the game's life, it was pretty silly to do this, period.
    SMN had issues (for more severe than BST ever did) for the longest and they finally got them in a good spot over the years. PUP had it's own set of issues (largely attachment availability as well) and after adjustments was put in a nice spot. Why would they put limitation on SMN and PUPs? SMN had range problems for so long and let's not even get into perp cost and treating them more as a back up healer in the very early years.
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    Player kylani's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    SMN had issues (for more severe than BST ever did) for the longest and they finally got them in a good spot over the years. PUP had it's own set of issues (largely attachment availability as well) and after adjustments was put in a nice spot. Why would they put limitation on SMN and PUPs? SMN had range problems for so long and let's not even get into perp cost and treating them more as a back up healer in the very early years.
    I agree with you (though I'd argue BST has also had severe issues, albeit different. I've duoed with SMN and PUP, and we've commiserated over the years), but why do this to BST either? Particularly to this level. Would you like to be unable to do Avatar moves even if you were meleeing right beside your pet because your pet wasn't close enough?
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    Player Skyrant_Kangaroomouse's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    SMN had issues (for more severe than BST ever did) for the longest and they finally got them in a good spot over the years. PUP had it's own set of issues (largely attachment availability as well) and after adjustments was put in a nice spot. Why would they put limitation on SMN and PUPs? SMN had range problems for so long and let's not even get into perp cost and treating them more as a back up healer in the very early years.
    SMN has had no issues at all for years now. They even get their own personal end game gear and plenty of rings. On SMN i am never in any danger, even before the now ridiculous range.

    BST is now broken because the gear is one sided:

    If i augment my end game gear for melee my pet can't hit the mobs.
    If i augment my end game gear for my pet then i can't hit the mobs.

    You can't have it both ways, SE

    Argosy Armor Set Not a single pet stat on it. Not a single path for Pet stats.
    Lustratio Armor Set Not a single pet stat on it. Not a single path for Pet stats.
    Rao Armor Set One pet Path. Not enough Accuracy for either pet or Beastmaster to hit 1100+ needed for endgame.
    Emicho Armor Set 2 Pet Paths. Pet or Beastmaster can hit 1100+ accuracy needed for endgame.

    I have been a BST (and SMN) since the beginning of the game when BST would still charm. They forced BST to be like SMN with jug pets and i accepted it and adjusted my gameplay. I started a Mythic for BST and now SE ruins the job completely. I want to change my Mythic now. If i can't do that or they don't adjust this ridiculous change i will let my subscription lapse. There are plenty of other games out there.
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    Last edited by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse; 09-19-2015 at 02:32 AM.
    Is 20 dmg for the hit like 30 dmg if a RNG shoots?

    No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?
    How i mine for fish?
    Try BST BST COR GEO WHM BRD You can melee and fight with your pet..

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    Player Fynlar's Avatar
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    SMN had issues (for more severe than BST ever did) for the longest and they finally got them in a good spot over the years.
    SMN had a lot of desirability for many endgame events for a while thanks to Perfect Defense.

    Tell me when BSTs have ever been desired for content by anyone except other pet jobs.

    Why would they put limitation on SMN and PUPs?
    Why would they put one on BST?
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    I just want the old range back. Anything else it not acceptable.
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    Player Skyrant_Kangaroomouse's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthos View Post
    I just want the old range back. Anything else it not acceptable.
    I would be more than happy with a 10-15 yalm range instead of this ridiculous 5 yalm nonsense.
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    Is 20 dmg for the hit like 30 dmg if a RNG shoots?

    No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?
    How i mine for fish?
    Try BST BST COR GEO WHM BRD You can melee and fight with your pet..

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    Player Olor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyrant_Kangaroomouse View Post
    I would be more than happy with a 10-15 yalm range instead of this ridiculous 5 yalm nonsense.
    I wouldn't be. We still can't gear for both master and pet. If they want us to engage they have to make us stop choosing which of us is going to whiff.
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