BST ready/sic/reward range

[Jile]

I have three accounts with varying states of gear. My spark geared mule account can do decent dmg to fodder and absolute garbage dmg to anything of value including unity nms. Mule account literally does 1/2 my dmg.

So no, a bandwagon BST can not do remotely similar dmg to a career BST.

To add even more clarification, BST is my main but I did an SR run with a BST that had spent 100's of millions of Gil on their BST and I have not as I don't play enough these days to have the same level of gear and I was doing around half of her dmg. I looked like a joke.

So in short no, bandwagons are not OP, they were perhaps mediocre at best vs a properly geared player.

The update made BST unplayable and unenjoyable. It is destroyed and SE needs to take back the Nerf.

Virtually any changes would have been better than to break our job abilities.

Oh and as for a bandwagon BST winning a difficult, I say that's very unlikely as the acc even with +1 food is trash without amazing pet acc gear.

[Arthos]

I think you misunderstand me.
I'm speaking of the accuracy and attack situation of bst compared to other DD, in early endgame. Bst has a big advantage here, play around with /checkparam on your different bsts and melee. There's no way such a low built bst wins solo a D battlefield. But he's able to hit there and deal damage, what other jobs can't do with the same gear effort.

[bazookatooth]

I think you misunderstand me.
I'm speaking of the accuracy and attack situation of bst compared to other DD, in early endgame. Bst has a big advantage here, play around with /checkparam on your different bsts and melee. There's no way such a low built bst wins solo a D battlefield. But he's able to hit there and deal damage, what other jobs can't do with the same gear effort.

Perhaps on low level content, but anything difficult is going to require the same Skirmish or better gear for BST as it does for melee jobs. There is a thing called "(/checkparam)" in the game and this can easily be tested. You also forget that everything costs money on BST. So even if that BST hasn't spent the gil to build reforged, abjuration or skirmish gear, he's paying for that on the back end because it costs him 2k -10k+ per pet he calls and another 2k per theta or 20k per mulsum every time he heals his pet. Even on my extremely well geared bst, I've spent over 100k on a single T3 fight. So oddly enough, the BST who doesn't spend the time / money to gear the job right away just ends up paying more to actually play the job. BST isn't a job that you can half ass and be good. You are paying to be good one way or another.

[Arthos]

Perhaps on low level content, but anything difficult is going to require the same Skirmish or better gear for BST as it does for melee jobs. There is a thing called "(/checkparam)" in the game and this can easily be tested. You also forget that everything costs money on BST. So even if that BST hasn't spent the gil to build reforged, abjuration or skirmish gear, he's paying for that on the back end because it costs him 2k -10k+ per pet he calls and another 2k per theta or 20k per mulsum every time he heals his pet. Even on my extremely well geared bst, I've spent over 100k on a single T3 fight. So oddly enough, the BST who doesn't spend the time / money to gear the job right away just ends up paying more to actually play the job. BST isn't a job that you can half ass and be good. You are paying to be good one way or another.

Did you really just repeat what i said as argument against what i said?
I said EARLY ENDGAME! EEEEEAAAAARRRRLLYYYYYYYY ENDGAME!!!!!!! Got it now? Also that /checkparam..... Really... Order is Read-> Think -> Answer. Anything else blocks any discussion.

[bazookatooth]

Did you really just repeat what i said as argument against what i said?
I said EARLY ENDGAME! EEEEEAAAAARRRRLLYYYYYYYY ENDGAME!!!!!!! Got it now? Also that /checkparam..... Really... Order is Read-> Think -> Answer. Anything else blocks any discussion.

WTF is early endgame? Are you saying we should nerf a job in real endgame because when you gear it poorly, it does better at outdated content than other poorly geared jobs? In what world does that make sense? and FYI, BST pets have no access to madrigal. Other DDS do. But that doesn't even matter because Skirmish armor with acc augments is stupid easy to get. You can literally get it by standing at a book and clicking things and then upgrade it with accuracy for the value of a couple dynamis runs. You can pretty much a make a whole set in one day. There is absolutely no reason for anything to be balanced against people who don't have that.

[Jile]

Perhaps I misunderstood.

I will say though with my 119set and using the best pet-benefitting food, I'm still wiffing in difficult AA fights, for example. My mule account can't even land enough hits to place her in aoe danger range so she sends pet and walks away rest of the fight because she's useless other than some added dps from pet, a trust contributes more.

For a BST that has spent 100's of millions of Gil, they won't have acc issues, but the rest of the BST out there do.

The complaints happened because epic BST's were desired over other dd's because it was less curing for healers. Now that BST are mp sinks there is no place for them in endgame.

At this stage of the game SE should be designing ways all jobs are needed for end game, not making anyone useless.

[Nyarlko]

While letting party buffs affect pets sounds great, I have a feeling it would require a reworking of every party buff in the game to make it work which sounds like FAR more effort than SE is willing/able to put in at this point in the game to be feasible.

A possibly simpler solution (which would "only" require a reworking of our pets) would be to have our pets stats scale off ours. This is the only method that would allow us to gear ourselves for melee w/o gimping our pets into uselessness, but would either require a reworking of a ton of gear that had stuff like Pet Acc/Atk/etc into Player Acc/Atk/etc or the understanding from the playerbase that all of that would now be only half as useful as it once was and acceptance that a good chunk of our current gear would have to be replaced.

This still doesn't address the glaring issue that has been around since day one: BST has no job abilities that are useful for self-combat. No buffs. No offensive abilities/attacks. No bonuses for whacking mobs alongside your pet... Take away the pet and all BST can do is auto-attack and weaponskill.

[HopefulNAPlayer]

While letting party buffs affect pets sounds great, I have a feeling it would require a reworking of every party buff in the game to make it work which sounds like FAR more effort than SE is willing/able to put in at this point in the game to be feasible.

A possibly simpler solution (which would "only" require a reworking of our pets) would be to have our pets stats scale off ours. This is the only method that would allow us to gear ourselves for melee w/o gimping our pets into uselessness, but would either require a reworking of a ton of gear that had stuff like Pet Acc/Atk/etc into Player Acc/Atk/etc or the understanding from the playerbase that all of that would now be only half as useful as it once was and acceptance that a good chunk of our current gear would have to be replaced.

This still doesn't address the glaring issue that has been around since day one: BST has no job abilities that are useful for self-combat. No buffs. No offensive abilities/attacks. No bonuses for whacking mobs alongside your pet... Take away the pet and all BST can do is auto-attack and weaponskill.

You are 100% correct. To add to your statement, Beastmaster shield skill caps @300 and @316 with 8 Shield Skill merits. However, our job points continue to augment the TP returned by Fencer and to make matters worse: Beastmaster has NO worthwhile shields to use.

If SE added a shield that gave Pet TP Bonus, Ready Delay-, or even Ready Distance +5 yalms, we'd be better equiped to suddenly play as a moderate-DD or an average "Front-line job"

However, as it stands today, as you said, Beastmaster can only auto-attack and perform weaponskills. That's it.

[Ambiant]

Sorry, but as a bst swapping weapons every 10 secs, I NEVER have the TP to WS, maybe once in a blue moon. Sure I can swing at the mob, but big wup, I can't really do much else on high end as I need my pet over my own stats.

Oh and I tried legion. UG SUPER large sized mobs and tiny pet command radius. Used cricket to ae the first 4 rooms. Doable but annoying as hell out of range bs with pet next to me ffs. Even worse especially when a trust provoked and yanked mob away or pet ran off to chase down something nuking it.

5th room...went.... horribly. hehe. I was doomed....

Please, give us a gift or something to increase distance. This way it benefits the veterans that spend time and effort into their job.