SE and fixing things that arent broke

[Malthar]

I really hope the end result of these changes put BST in a good spot with some form of risk/decision making and that they are not reverted, but it goes without saying some work needs to be done to help player control.

Hi Nick,

We career bsts wouldn't mind the nerf so much if it didn't cripple our job. Most career bst would actually love to mix it up with the mob and pump out massive Cloudsplitter damage, but the current gear situation either allows us or our pets to be close to the mob. If we gear for the pet we die. If we gear for ourselves the pet dies. If we gear for both we both die. It's a lose/lose situation. And to compound this problem, the range that SE set is way too short to be practical. It literally castrates us and makes us impotent. Taking our option away to play either close or far is one thing. Completely destroying our job is another.

As for taking risk, the risk is always there in keeping our pet alive. We have to time our rewards/sic/ready and other abilities just right or the pet would get destroyed. And guess who the mob will be coming after next?

[bazookatooth]

Hi devs, I'd like to share my feedback. I know most players won't like what I have to say, but if you're willing to read my post please hear me out.

BST has been insanely powerful for awhile now. Having to be in range to control your pet forces the player to take some risk to balance out the power budget. I think forcing BSTs into range is a healthy choice overall for balance even though players are whining about it because they are used to taking no risk for the reward.

Sorry to say this everyone, but a job that involves zero risk evaluation, while only involving you watching your pets make you some sweet, lazy loot is just a bad design.

Now, that being said, I think the devs should be bending over backwards to facilitate this NEW design control to actually work - and as of right now it doesn't. Being out of range for a pet ability when you're fighting the mob on the other side is terrible and needs to be fixed.

I know I'll probably get a lot of flak for saying this, but I think the devs need to stick to their guns with this new BST design decision while building the quality of life for controlling the job so it works as intended.

So why do I say this is a healthy balance choice for BST? Creating a paradigm of risk allows the power budget for BST to be adjusted in other areas, perhaps in the form of new abilities/additions being added to BST in the future. Shifting power budget around is a fundamental aspect of game design in RPGs. This is a good thing, assuming the budget actually gets shifted somewhere else.

I really hope the end result of these changes put BST in a good spot with some form of risk/decision making and that they are not reverted, but it goes without saying some work needs to be done to help player control.

Thanks for your time!

Cheers,
Nick

If they are to stick to their guns, the least they should do is fix the issue with being out of range and allow us the ability to reasonably remove statuses from our pet like real players. It's pretty ridiculous when an NM hits me with amnesia and it wears off but then I still can't do anything. Or when I get hit with break and the WHM has to remove it so that I can get out of range of AOEs but I still have to stand there doing nothing for a minute and a half while I watch my frozen pet just eat damage. Before I didn't mind that my pet had vulnerabilities because having the pet take them lowered my risk, but Now I am part of some weird healing chain where 2 characters have to be healed for the price of 1 DD and a lot of things just can't be removed either because of timers or the fact that there just plain isn't a remedy for pet debuffs. You just can't afford to use ready as a status removal because of the timer.

I'm still of the opinion that they should have made pet HP more in line with players, adjusted reward values and timers appropriately and given bst various status removal options to make the job more complex and more on par with others in terms of survival.

[Rubicant82]

The moment everyone realize that complaining about the change will do no good, and relearn how to play the job the better.
This has happened to almost every job in the game. A fundamental change at some point in its life or another.
-ga nerf, rudra nerf, Twilight Scythe nerf, etc etc etc the history of the game is spotted with nerfs of for every job.
Maybe instead of complaining you could give constructive feedback, that is usable. That might get the dev's attention. Where as complaints are just contemplates are generally ignored.
Also; reading over the bst jpn forum it appears most of them support the change. So... there is that too.
Good luck fighting this battle, the blms lost out maybe bst will succeed where every other job has failed at reversing a change.

[machini]

The moment everyone realize that complaining about the change will do no good, and relearn how to play the job the better.
This has happened to almost every job in the game. A fundamental change at some point in its life or another.
-ga nerf, rudra nerf, Twilight Scythe nerf, etc etc etc the history of the game is spotted with nerfs of for every job.
Maybe instead of complaining you could give constructive feedback, that is usable. That might get the dev's attention. Where as complaints are just contemplates are generally ignored.
Also; reading over the bst jpn forum it appears most of them support the change. So... there is that too.
Good luck fighting this battle, the blms lost out maybe bst will succeed where every other job has failed at reversing a change.

Do you even understand what 'constructive feedback' is? It does not mean servile, sycophantic panegyrism. People have stated how the change affects them, how it has, in their opinions, altered the job to near uselessness, and have offered many suggestions they think would address this issue, the easiest one being to undo the range change. Add to that simply varying the damage dealt by distance to pet, and now BST can continue to play as they always have, but not deal so much damage that they are desired to the exclusion of all else, as dealing comparable damage to what they did previously would still require what SE was: BST being required to be in danger to put out large amounts of damage. If a BST wants to stay out of damage range, they can do so, but with reduced damage output. If they want to put themselves at risk, they get rewarded with increased (equal to the old) damage.

[Alhanelem]

The moment everyone realize that complaining about the change will do no good, and relearn how to play the job the better.
This has happened to almost every job in the game. A fundamental change at some point in its life or another.
-ga nerf, rudra nerf, Twilight Scythe nerf, etc etc etc the history of the game is spotted with nerfs of for every job.
Maybe instead of complaining you could give constructive feedback, that is usable. That might get the dev's attention. Where as complaints are just contemplates are generally ignored.
Also; reading over the bst jpn forum it appears most of them support the change. So... there is that too.
Good luck fighting this battle, the blms lost out maybe bst will succeed where every other job has failed at reversing a change.

Just because a JP player says something, doesn't mean they're right just because they're Japanese.

[Leonardus]

Many of us have enjoyed BST the way it was for years and apparently we're the ones that are wrong.

Okay, SE.

Every time I start to have fun lately, I remember that I've been shot in the foot. Excuse me while I hobble closer towards my pet and pretend everything is business as usual.

[bazookatooth]

<player> It's stupid that I can't issue commands to my pet from the opposite side of an NM. The distance is too short. Please fix.

<SE> Good news guys! In order to fix the problem, we've added a feature that will show you that you can't issue commands to your pet from there. Let us know if there's anything else that you want us to break what you think!

<player> But we already know we can't issue commands from there. That's why we asked you to fix it....

[Jile]

Nick, thank you for giving more thought to what BST are going through than the average person that supports this Nerf.

SE designed BST to be away from our pets. This is a complete fundamental transition 100% different than they designed our gear and for the Nerf to function better after they get it to work as intended SE needs to redesign BST gear to be beneficial to the master at the same time as our pets. Unless they have the dev time for that, they need to undo the Nerf and apply a simple Nerf like aoe-pet dmg multiplier decrease and stop wasting precious dev time.

[dasva]

The clear solution is to reduce the range of all jas and spells to just outside of melee range. Staying away from mobs is clearly OP and half the jobs do it!

[Ataraxia]

The clear solution is to reduce the range of all jas and spells to just outside of melee range. Staying away from mobs is clearly OP and half the jobs do it!

You just might be right Taru. Doing this will make other people understand how mess up it is to reduce range from BST.