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    Player Kraggy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    We’ve been receiving a lot of feedback about this.

    Since there are monsters with varying sizes, if we make adjustments so that the somewhat larger monsters are the benchmark, then the distance in which commands can be used will be no different than before. While we can’t make any promises at the time, we will be looking into changing the target of pet commands, shifting them from the master to the pet. We believe that the way it feels to play will become very different, so we would like to hear everyone’s feedback once it is implemented.
    *There is a possibility that commands cannot be accepted when pets are out of your field of vision.
    How about you learn not to fix that which ain't broke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    We’ve been receiving a lot of feedback about this.

    Since there are monsters with varying sizes, if we make adjustments so that the somewhat larger monsters are the benchmark, then the distance in which commands can be used will be no different than before. While we can’t make any promises at the time, we will be looking into changing the target of pet commands, shifting them from the master to the pet. We believe that the way it feels to play will become very different, so we would like to hear everyone’s feedback once it is implemented.
    *There is a possibility that commands cannot be accepted when pets are out of your field of vision.
    hello Mr. Camate can you confirm with everyone on what you're trying to do with BST range? when you said "we will be looking into changing the target of pet commands, shifting them from the master to the pet. So this mean that big enemies will not be an issue anymore and everything will remain the same as in a BST must be closer to their pet to execute a command?

    If this is the case than you're are not fixing anything. Unless what you meant to say is that as long as we can see our pet from any distance we can issue a command? Please be honest to all the player if you are gonna leave things as is. No BST like to cry out to a whm for heal and trust aren't healing if they are dead most of the thing in high level content.
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    Player Gwydion's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    We’ve been receiving a lot of feedback about this.

    Since there are monsters with varying sizes, if we make adjustments so that the somewhat larger monsters are the benchmark, then the distance in which commands can be used will be no different than before. While we can’t make any promises at the time, we will be looking into changing the target of pet commands, shifting them from the master to the pet. We believe that the way it feels to play will become very different, so we would like to hear everyone’s feedback once it is implemented.
    *There is a possibility that commands cannot be accepted when pets are out of your field of vision.
    Camate,
    Please put BST back the way it was. I also wanted to confirm that I have experienced the issue you posted in red: Commands are randomly not accepted if I am less than 7 yalms, but my pet is not on my screen. This is the most frustrating video game experience in my 25 years of gaming. Lastly, I don't think anyone wants the target of BST commands to shift from master to pet. It was never broken and is changing 13 years of play-style.
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    Last edited by Gwydion; 10-11-2015 at 06:09 PM.

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    Player Malthar's Avatar
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    Shiva
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    SE, just frickin' restore the original range and vary pet damage with master distance; job done.
    If masters want more damage they'll have to get closer and expose themselves to more danger.
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    Player Faithful's Avatar
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    I deactivated my account until this Bst nerf fiasco is fixed. I agree with what others are saying: restore the original range and have the pets damage decrease the further away you are. Maybe with Job Points the damage can be increased back some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faithful View Post
    I deactivated my account until this Bst nerf fiasco is fixed. I agree with what others are saying: restore the original range and have the pets damage decrease the further away you are. Maybe with Job Points the damage can be increased back some.
    Hey Let's not do that just yet. This matter of BST range is taken seriously. Camate has come forward and is addressing this issue so let's us all give him a chance to prove himself and try out October 2015 Update for BST. We don't always get a reply from Camate and usually it's always Grekumah. We all should be thankful that it's not "We Have No Plan".

    Now if we don't like this new changes to BST we can always come back and express our frustration. In mean time let's all try out the update and post some feedback. =)
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    Player bazookatooth's Avatar
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    Or you know... Put the range back where it was and address the issues with other DD jobs getting killed too easy instead. Doing enough damage is almost never a problem in this game. It's people getting killed if they engage the NM that is the problem. Fix that instead of breaking more things.
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    Player Malthar's Avatar
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    Hey, don't you pick on Camate! If you have something against Camate you'll have to go through me first!
    It's not Camate who "fixed" things that aren't broke. It's the devs.
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    Player Tidis's Avatar
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    While I do think the distance nerf wasn't really the right target to level the playing field, it at least gives BST more to think about rather than sit back and spam Ready.

    That said front line damage is a problem, I remember back when VW was at it's most popular they talked about making AoEs deal less damage to people who weren't targeted, couldn't they just apply something similar to every AoE move by monsters? That way it would be easier to keep front line DDs up and BST max distance could be reverted, hell at that point they may be willing to fight alongside their pet on the front lines.
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    Player bazookatooth's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tidis View Post
    While I do think the distance nerf wasn't really the right target to level the playing field, it at least gives BST more to think about rather than sit back and spam Ready.
    It's just annoying. That's all it is. It's like putting hot sauce on a dog's food just to be a jerk. The dog's still gonna eat it, but he will hate you for it. That's pretty much how a lot of people feel right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tidis View Post
    That said front line damage is a problem, I remember back when VW was at it's most popular they talked about making AoEs deal less damage to people who weren't targeted, couldn't they just apply something similar to every AoE move by monsters? That way it would be easier to keep front line DDs up and BST max distance could be reverted, hell at that point they may be willing to fight alongside their pet on the front lines.
    They need to just straight up add HP and DEF/MDB to most jobs. They did a good job fixing the emnity issues imo, but the amount of damage that pretty much any job can take compared to PLD is ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    we will be looking into changing the target of pet commands, shifting them from the master to the pet.
    I'm honestly not even sure what this means. If the distance from master to pet remains the same, how does reversing the target change anything functionally. Did you mean that you are considering changing commands to target the monster? Because while that would allow us to issue commands from the opposite side, it would also anchor us to whatever monster the pet is currently targeting which would effectively lock us from issuing commands at all when there is more than one target because pets change target at random when there is more than one monster attacking. That would be a horrible change. If that is what you were thinking, please, please, please don;t. There are a bazillion other more important things you could be doing. Just put BST back how it was and go fix something that actually serves a purpose other than to annoy people.
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    Last edited by bazookatooth; 10-09-2015 at 02:56 AM.

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