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    Player Secondplanet's Avatar
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    Mortificator
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    SMN Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeargi View Post
    You have just as many augmentable armors for SMN with the Helios, Keraunos, even the old Moogle Trial Staff that gives Pet: -12% PDT(Because your pet isn't effected by your main weapon like BST is), plus the Handler's Earrings (NQ and +1), With Garuda, she can heal herself which is on a 30 second time with all the augments you can get.
    Summoners don't get a choice on our ranged slot item anymore as we have to use and only use serapicaller to be able to do what we can. As for the augmentable gear except for swapping in for attacks are useless as we're slaves to MP. We have to have perpetual cost down and if we can refresh or we'll be a done in a couple of shots and have to rest or using our limited syphon ability. Even the moogle staff would hinder us as only 1 ability on a weapon is a waste of space. But most of all when it comes to Garuda its nice and all she can heal herself but then we have to choose to either do damage with the tp or spam it to keep her alive....... but wait isn't that what you're complaining about is having to choose to keep yourself or your pet alive? seems like a double standard you're giving summoners that we have to choose keeping a pet alive or doing damage at that point. As for beasts they have multiple options to use as their main hand to give their pets their ilvl and even have easy to obtain items to further increase their pets ilvl with out the need for a mythic like summoner has to face. As for inventory space many jobs have a great deal of space taken up to have all their swap pieces in.

    Also many of the summoners bloodpact wards are still capped at lvl 75 stats with no word ever of bringing them to our current level.
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    Last edited by Secondplanet; 10-23-2015 at 01:28 PM. Reason: adding more

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    Player Zeargi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    Summoners don't get a choice on our ranged slot item anymore as we have to use and only use serapicaller to be able to do what we can. As for the augmentable gear except for swapping in for attacks are useless as we're slaves to MP. We have to have perpetual cost down and if we can refresh or we'll be a done in a couple of shots and have to rest or using our limited syphon ability.
    Then you aren't managing your MP Well enough. Beckoner's Hands and Feet Teamed with /SCH storm spells would more than enough cover the Prep Cost for swapping in Helios armor pieces, that's also counting Auto Refresh and If you Took the Time to get the Evoker's Ring, which has been a staple for SMN since ever. You can also get an Icarus Wing and unlock Myrkr and Restore MP that way. Not to mention the Emp. Reforges still have a Blood Boon Bonus on them, that helps with your MP cost. Yet another Job Trait bonus that's useful to a pet job.


    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    Even the moogle staff would hinder us as only 1 ability on a weapon is a waste of space.
    So much like the Brave's Warbonnet or The Stout Bonnet that gives Reward Recast Minus (Oh and Charm Vs. Beast +6 Because Charm is used oh so much now in things)

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    But most of all when it comes to Garuda its nice and all she can heal herself but then we have to choose to either do damage with the tp or spam it to keep her alive....... but wait isn't that what you're complaining about is having to choose to keep yourself or your pet alive? seems like a double standard you're giving summoners that we have to choose keeping a pet alive or doing damage at that point.
    Except with the proper distance, you're not going to die. I spent most of my time leveling SMN in Ifrit's Cauldron and you learned that you picked on Bombs, ran away and continued this until it used Self-Destruct. If you did The Trial-Size Avatar battles, that's how you won, by sending your lovely little Radioactive Squirrel to its doom a crap ton of times while you went to the entrance and back to the top each time you summoned, all the while using items to keep your MP in the Positive. That's before Elemental Siphon was a thing, and that the Elementals weren't next to free, and you had a crap ton of options for -Prep. And as a SMN, you're not getting near that stuff, because now you have a great distance range for your abilities and you're Backline job, so you can get away with dismissing and resummoning in a party, because you're not going to be in the AoE that cause weakness or that causes Terminal DMG and your avatar takes a few seconds to replay, where BST takes 5m and 20m to replace, each one costing money because those pets are also consumable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    As for beasts they have multiple options to use as their main hand to give their pets their ilvl and even have easy to obtain items to further increase their pets ilvl with out the need for a mythic like summoner has to face. As for inventory space many jobs have a great deal of space taken up to have all their swap pieces in.
    There's a major difference, The Nirvana drops your level by 2, Unequipping an Ilvl Axe drops BST's Pet lvl by 20, and you can get away without the Nirvana. Not to mention that no matter the case, BST pets can't go beyond 119, unlike your Avatar which can go to 121/122 for Carbuncle and Cait Sith.

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    Also many of the summoners bloodpact wards are still capped at lvl 75 stats with no word ever of bringing them to our current level.
    That's been the only correct thing you've said thus far, but SMN is still in better shape than BST.
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    Last edited by Zeargi; 10-23-2015 at 10:37 PM.
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