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    Player Zeargi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondplanet View Post
    i've played bst and it wasn't my cup of tea, i understand fully well its not about damage output but you're a heavy armor class job that wants to be backline job for safety, why doesn't all other DD jobs start arguing about how fast they die from AoE's like everyone else. The game has become aimed at range jobs doing damage at a safe distance while the only job (pld) that has the -pdt -mdt is the only one able to take the damage. This argument has long since lost its sympathy from players as you're not the only ones whos jobs have become useless to the high artificial difficulty that SE has forced into the game.
    Just gonna chime in. BST doesn't wear heavy armor. It's a Medium Class, the same as THF, MNK or DNC.

    Again, I can't seem to stress this enough, BST isn't the only one playing it safe. SAM does and is STILL doing, and they have better overall Job Traits than BST. 85% of BSTs' Job Traits are Killer Traits or Pet Related ones. Resist Amnesia, Resist Slow, and Fencer, Those are the things that BST has to work with. Outside of trash mobs in Delve, you aren't going to use MOST of the Killer Skills. and Fencer is useless because there aren't any shields the really compliment BST and with an E rank, the shield blocking rate is crap. Beatific Shield +1, Deliverance +1, Evalach +1, Forfend +1... THESE are the only 119 Shields that BST can use. -25% MDT, 2x PDT-4%, and a DT-4%... If you want to get on the lower end, the Matamata Shield gives a -8% PDT. It's not fair to penalize the job for the lack of gear, abilities, and traits other jobs get.

    THF gets Triple Attack, Sneak Attack, Bully, Feint
    MNK gets Counter, Martial Arts, Kick Attack, Formless Strike
    DNC has Flourishes and No Step Rising

    This is about on par with people inviting SMNs back in the day to be gimped healers for parties. BST has ALWAYS been about playing the distances and only fighting when it needs to, it's not some surprise last minute thing that just now started showing up. Grab a pet, Leave it when it's about to die, tame and grab the next one, sic/snarl, Repeat.

    I will keep saying it over and over: It's not the job, it's the content. Give BSTs better Gear, JA, and Traits to keep them alive and truly functional as a DD Class and let it so their pets can equally function. SMN gets away with focusing on their Pet, and that works for a Mage job, but that's not the same for BST.
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    Last edited by Zeargi; 10-20-2015 at 04:55 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeargi View Post
    Just gonna chime in. BST doesn't wear heavy armor. It's a Medium Class, the same as THF, MNK or DNC.

    Again, I can't seem to stress this enough, BST isn't the only one playing it safe. SAM does and is STILL doing, and they have better overall Job Traits than BST. 85% of BSTs' Job Traits are Killer Traits or Pet Related ones. Resist Amnesia, Resist Slow, and Fencer, Those are the things that BST has to work with. Outside of trash mobs in Delve, you aren't going to use MOST of the Killer Skills. and Fencer is useless because these aren't an shields the really compliment BST and with an E rank, the shield blocking rate is crap. Beatific Shield +1, Deliverance +1, Evalach +1, Forfend +1... THESE are the only 119 Shields that BST can use. -25% MDT, 2x PDT-4%, and a DT-4%... If you want to get on the lower end, the Matamata Shield gives a -8% PDT. It's not fair to penalize the job for the lack of gear, abilities, and traits other jobs get.

    THF gets Triple Attack, Sneak Attack, Bully, Feint
    MNK gets Counter, Martial Arts, Kick Attack, Formless Strike
    DNC has Flourishes and No Step Rising

    This is about on par with people inviting SMNs back in the day to be gimped healers for parties. BST has ALWAYS been about playing the distances and only fighting when it needs to, it's not some surprise last minute thing that just now started showing up. Grab a pet, Leave it when it's about to die, tame and grab the next one, sic/snarl, Repeat.

    I will keep saying it over and over: It's not the job, it's the content. Give BSTs better Gear, JA, and Traits to keep them alive and truly functional as a DD Class and let it so their pets can equally function. SMN gets away with focusing on their Pet, and that works for a Mage job, but that's not the same for BST.
    BST is heavy armor class just look at Tartarus Platemail as an example
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    Player Zeargi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shinun View Post
    BST is heavy armor class just look at Tartarus Platemail as an example
    1 armor does not a heavy make. The heavy classes are: PLD, DRK, SAM, DRG, WAR

    While BST does get a few 'heavy armors', more of it's armor sets come from the Medium classes. You can use Dynamis as an example as well, The ones listed above are proc.ed by WS because they have high HP and DEF. While MNK, BST, THF, RNG, etc are JAs :3
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    Last edited by Zeargi; 10-19-2015 at 10:38 AM.
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