[dev1289] Job Adjustments

[dasva]

Yeah we've been using pup tanks for months now. Heck a couple of months ago I wanted to see how well it kept hate so I went run... none of the bst pets pulled hate, the avatars only briefly after their huge spikes but the pup frequently took hate off me if I wasn't paying attention. Pre nerf we had done some with just bsts and smn for pets but after the enmity nerft awhile back they had a really hard time keeping hate off the support.

Most the time it is used as a tank it's just with other pets anyways so the momentary switch to those other pets is trivial enough not to matter. Heck my sharpshot frame frequently pulls hate from the tank frames with ws spamming... takes a hit loses it and regens right back like a boss. The avatars they live they die it doesn't really matter much they get resummoned and bp again but if the smns actually geared for pet dt they can keep them alive for awhile. And if you want to get really fancy you get pld/run lvl enmity gain via fancy Ventriloquy tricks.

I'm halfway certain there might be a way to get wyverns to tank...they certainly got the best dt out there but that's some serious next lvl square peg stuff

[Dale]

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I'm halfway certain there might be a way to get wyverns to tank...they certainly got the best dt out there but that's some serious next lvl square peg stuff

Their enmity generation is too low to effectively tank. Which was my point and why Beast Master's have such an edge over other pet jobs when it comes to tanking.

If Wyverns could create the kind of enmity the Beast Master pets can - then they could tank.

[dasva]

Their enmity generation is too low to effectively tank. Which was my point and why Beast Master's have such an edge over other pet jobs when it comes to tanking.

If Wyverns could create the kind of enmity the Beast Master pets can - then they could tank.

Again like I said next lvl square peg stuff. All jugs do is deal dmg which creates very little enmity at all. Seriously I seen jugs used 2-3 moves at the start of a fight and me eating food has pulled hate. Therefore all I have to do is get dmg anywhere near what they do and take advantage of the vastly superior dt and buffing capabilities of wyverns so they lose less than everyone else in range eating AoEs. It's still in the works but I have managed to get a wyvern at near capped attack speed while still maintaining way more dt than jugs can even get.

Also no pup completely destroys bst on tanking

[Dale]

Again like I said next lvl square peg stuff. All jugs do is deal dmg which creates very little enmity at all. Seriously I seen jugs used 2-3 moves at the start of a fight and me eating food has pulled hate. Therefore all I have to do is get dmg anywhere near what they do and take advantage of the vastly superior dt and buffing capabilities of wyverns so they lose less than everyone else in range eating AoEs. It's still in the works but I have managed to get a wyvern at near capped attack speed while still maintaining way more dt than jugs can even get.

Also no pup completely destroys bst on tanking

Damage still creates a lot of enmity. Maybe not as much as it used to - but it still creates a lot. Especially when it's on the scale those insane Beast Master pets have who can wipe out a screen full of incredible tough monsters in a matter of seconds.

So I'm not sure what jugs you have been using - but if they are doing such little damage a dragoon's wyvern can keep hate off of them I think it's safe to say that you are using the way wrong kind of jug.

Wyverns do have good defense. But they don't generate enough enmity to tank unless you take off your weapon and punch the monster to death. I'm all for damage dealers learning how to control their enmity - but I draw the line when they are expected to remove their weapons.

As far as this mythical puppet people keep talking about who supposedly destroys Beast Master pets - I'll believe it when I see it.