[dev1289] Job Adjustments

[Singforu]

All you complainers about how BST has to get close... here you go of a BST soloing very difficult ark angel mithra:

There are more if this one example isn't enough. The distance nerf wasn't enough. Pets shouldn't be able to not only tank as well as a PLD but do damage as well as a DD against very difficult NMs while the master just sits there doing job emotes laughing all the way. Pets should be able to tank OR do damage, not both. That is what needs to be fixed.

[Arthos]

All you complainers about how BST has to get close... here you go of a BST soloing very difficult ark angel mithra:

Range is not needed for most Ark Angels, so they are not affected by the nerf. About the VD: Respect. You should have linked his AA Galka vid, where you acutally can see that he is a very skilled player, playing well timed and fast. Fun to watch.

[Arthos]

Pets should be able to tank OR do damage, not both. That is what needs to be fixed.

There are several jobs which can do both, which makes them able to solo even hardest NMs. Bst is by far not alone there. All of them are already balanced, Bst is too.
I understand you don't like Bst, it makes your Brd unwanted, which is not ok.
But that Bst only hype is caused by the player community, not by the job itsself. It became good, yes. But not so OP as people think it is.
The real performance gap you find in gear and jobpoints and if player using different equipsets.
SE knows this, that's why they were a bit shy and did not nerf dmg output.

[Dale]

There are several jobs which can do both, which makes them able to solo even hardest NMs. Bst is by far not alone there. All of them are already balanced, Bst is too.
I understand you don't like Bst, it makes your Brd unwanted, which is not ok.
But that Bst only hype is caused by the player community, not by the job itsself. It became good, yes. But not so OP as people think it is.
The real performance gap you find in gear and jobpoints and if player using different equipsets.
SE knows this, that's why they were a bit shy and did not nerf dmg output.

I have never seen another job that compares to what those Beast Master pets can do in terms of damage and defense.

I've seen Beast Masters in mediocre gear and not many job points summon that cricket and obliterate notorious monsters in seconds what the rest of the group was struggling to kill.

There is a reason so many people think Beast Master was OP (basically everyone who does not play one). It's because they have seen it with their own eyes. It's not just hype.

[Olor]

I've seen Beast Masters in mediocre gear and not many job points summon that cricket and obliterate notorious monsters in seconds what the rest of the group was struggling to kill.

What notorious monster is this? Please do tell cause I can't think of a single relevant/modern NM I can kill solo that would be difficult for most other jobs to solo...

[Dale]

What notorious monster is this? Please do tell cause I can't think of a single relevant/modern NM I can kill solo that would be difficult for most other jobs to solo...

You are living in a fantasy world Olor if you think most other jobs can easily solo all the relevant notorious monsters the Beast Master was capable of. When you make comments like this: it makes it impossible for me to take you seriously.

Just take your pick - any of the normal, difficult, very difficult higher-tier battlefields which the Beast Master could easily solo. I watched a Beast Master cut through skirmish notorious monsters like water - the same one that was dropping meteors and one-shotting the rest of the party. I watch them eat normal and difficult avatars for breakfast - where as I have to equip all - mdt and sub /rune to barely survive their hits on very easy.

So if you are actually going to stand there and say to me that the Beast Master was not better at solo than most other jobs then you have just lost all credibility with me on this subject.

[Ataraxia]

What notorious monster is this? Please do tell cause I can't think of a single relevant/modern NM I can kill solo that would be difficult for most other jobs to solo...

Try not to let Dale bother you too much. I don't think that guy even play BST and it's jealous because he doesn't know how to play his job.
Notice the part when he said "Just take your pick - any of the normal, difficult, very difficult higher-tier battlefields which the Beast Master could easily solo.

Wow did he just say BST can do ANY high tier battlefields on difficult and very difficult? that's is an embarrassment to make such a claim that a BST can that. If he's referring to avatar that take high level of concentration to do that and there is no way a regular BST can pull it out without dying. I know BST can do some avatar on difficult and might need Dawn Mulsum but those BST are at 1200. I don't wanna call it a solo if people resort using trust when double trust event is up.

[Olor]

Wow did he just say BST can do ANY high tier battlefields on difficult and very difficult? that's is an embarrassment to make such a claim that a BST can that.

No, he said any bst without capacity gifts and with bad gear can solo any high tier battlefields on difficult and very difficult

I've seen Beast Masters in mediocre gear and not many job points...

And not sure how he is "seeing" them if they are in battlefields.

As a BST in mediocre gear with not many job points, the only NM from recent times I've been able to solo is one of the NMs that pops among the ordinary mobs in escha zitah and I only did that by using my one hour and I am absolutely certain it would have been much easier to do the mob on BLU.

I have tried to solo unity NMs and gotten creamed. I tried an avatar on VE and got creamed, so not sure where this idea that some derp BST is soloing all the very difficult battlefields is coming from.

Yeah, I am a casual player, not a great DD etc. but the claim is being made that BSTs like me were clearing everything solo and it is simply not true. Abyssea NMs? Sure. So can everyone else. Meebles? Sure, so can everyone else.

Yeah BSTs *could* solo some difficult content. BSTs with capped points and hundreds of millions in augmented gear. Meanwhile, SCH, SMN, BLU, PUP, PLD, etc solo the same and some different things. Are there certain NMs that BST was better at than those jobs - sure - but there are plenty of NMs that bst is terrible for.

You are living in a fantasy world Olor if you think most other jobs can easily solo all the relevant notorious monsters the Beast Master was capable of. When you make comments like this: it makes it impossible for me to take you seriously.

You said

I've seen Beast Masters in mediocre gear and not many job points...

That is not the same as "the world's best bsts, with capped job points and all the best gear."

I am a BST with "mediocre gear and not many job points" and I am telling you I can't solo anything relevant, not before the nerf and certainly not after. So unless you provide an example, I am calling BS.

Maybe you just assumed the BST had bad gear and no job points but they were capped and wearing hundreds of millions in augments. Still wanna know what NM you're talking about though that a *party* was struggling with and BST demolished. And how did the BST even get the NM? Did you let it go yellow? You all die?

And I would be SHOCKED if you could find me examples of more than maybe 1 or 2 solos that have EVER only been doable on BST. SCH and BLU are both way better at soloing NMs than BST.

[Dale]

No, he said any bst without capacity gifts and with bad gear can solo any high tier battlefields on difficult and very difficult



And not sure how he is "seeing" them if they are in battlefields.

As a BST in mediocre gear with not many job points, the only NM from recent times I've been able to solo is one of the NMs that pops among the ordinary mobs in escha zitah and I only did that by using my one hour and I am absolutely certain it would have been much easier to do the mob on BLU.

I have tried to solo unity NMs and gotten creamed. I tried an avatar on VE and got creamed, so not sure where this idea that some derp BST is soloing all the very difficult battlefields is coming from.

Yeah, I am a casual player, not a great DD etc. but the claim is being made that BSTs like me were clearing everything solo and it is simply not true. Abyssea NMs? Sure. So can everyone else. Meebles? Sure, so can everyone else.

Yeah BSTs *could* solo some difficult content. BSTs with capped points and hundreds of millions in augmented gear. Meanwhile, SCH, SMN, BLU, PUP, PLD, etc solo the same and some different things. Are there certain NMs that BST was better at than those jobs - sure - but there are plenty of NMs that bst is terrible for.



You said

That is not the same as "the world's best bsts, with capped job points and all the best gear."

I am a BST with "mediocre gear and not many job points" and I am telling you I can't solo anything relevant, not before the nerf and certainly not after. So unless you provide an example, I am calling BS.

Maybe you just assumed the BST had bad gear and no job points but they were capped and wearing hundreds of millions in augments. Still wanna know what NM you're talking about though that a *party* was struggling with and BST demolished. And how did the BST even get the NM? Did you let it go yellow? You all die?

And I would be SHOCKED if you could find me examples of more than maybe 1 or 2 solos that have EVER only been doable on BST. SCH and BLU are both way better at soloing NMs than BST.

I don't know what to tell you. The Beast Masters I saw would cream very easy avatars - not the other way around.

Still wanna know what NM you're talking about though that a *party* was struggling with and BST demolished. And how did the BST even get the NM? Did you let it go yellow? You all die

In an alluvium skirmish Beast Masters can go claim notorious monsters on their own. They do not have to wait for the party. He was demolishing notorious monsters the rest of the party had struggled with previously.

I tried to give you an example - the one that drops meteors. There is also the one that charms you - he took care of that one with ease also. Keep in mind you can fight multiple amounts of the same notorious monster in a single run. He obliterated most if all of the notorious monsters we encountered. He would also wipe out an entire screen of enemies in a single move. It was rather ridiculous and had we not even been there I don't think it would have made much difference.

[Dale]

Try not to let Dale bother you too much. I don't think that guy even play BST and it's jealous because he doesn't know how to play his job.
Notice the part when he said "Just take your pick - any of the normal, difficult, very difficult higher-tier battlefields which the Beast Master could easily solo.

Wow did he just say BST can do ANY high tier battlefields on difficult and very difficult? that's is an embarrassment to make such a claim that a BST can that. If he's referring to avatar that take high level of concentration to do that and there is no way a regular BST can pull it out without dying. I know BST can do some avatar on difficult and might need Dawn Mulsum but those BST are at 1200. I don't wanna call it a solo if people resort using trust when double trust event is up.

I've already said I didn't play Beast Master. So that wasn't much of a revelation. I must be jealous and suck at my job because I think Beast Masters were overpowered? That's fair.

My comment was not to suggest BST can solo any high tier battlefield on difficult and very difficult. I was referring to those that they could solo: and they could do more of them than most other jobs.