[dev1289] Job Adjustments

[machini]

Honestly, neither one would surprise me. A not-insignificant part of the motivation for me making Terpsichore was that there were really no other weapon choices at the time. It was Izhiikoh, Sabebus, Vanir Knife, and Ipetam. And Vanir Knife isn't really that great for DNC, I already had Izhiikoh and Sabebus, and Ipetam, at the time, would have cost about half as much to augment as a Terpsichore cost in Alex.

[Shirai]

Yes it did. Cause when you're dead your damage is 0.

Well, I still stand by this being a healer problem.
Apart from that, what's wrong with moving out of range when stuff really gets hairy? Melee have been doing that for years.
At least the more competent ones...

[Arthos]

Well, I still stand by this being a healer problem.

Of course it's a healer problem. But knowing this doesn't change anything. The whole range only hype is caused by healer problems, good Whm's are rare. But how to change that? -> Not possible -> Building safe ranged PT's.
Atleast for shout groups.

[bazookatooth]

Front line DDs and Pets need different Buffs and gear to put out damage and survive TP moves / AOE magic attacks and BST requires both now. Which, it can't have.

[Shirai]

Of course it's a healer problem. But knowing this doesn't change anything. The whole range only hype is caused by healer problems, good Whm's are rare. But how to change that? -> Not possible -> Building safe ranged PT's.
Atleast for shout groups.

And this mentality only adds to the problem.
But I guess it's easier to point fingers at others instead of trying to contribute to the sollution yourself by either educating healers, or becoming one yourself if you think they're all so bad.

Front line DDs and Pets need different Buffs and gear to put out damage and survive TP moves / AOE magic attacks and BST requires both now. Which, it can't have.

Nah, not really.
If my paperskin summoner and white mage with hardly any -DT gear in its idle sets can take one or two AoE's, so can a Beastmaster.
If you can't, you really need to look at your gearsets because if your idle and melee sets are not at least at iLevel stage you have other problems.

Now I do understand that some situational sets dependent on non-iLevel armor, I really do, but for that there's things like timing your moves.
It might prove a bit dificult in the begining, but practice makes perfect.

I'm sorry but Beastmaster hasn't become unplayable, it just takes a different approach now which most skilled players will eventually figure out if they haven't already.
You've just been put back in the same place as all the other melee jobs you've been leaving behind, you've had your fun and you knew this was coming eventually.
If you want "easy" ways to beat high level content, try thinking and figuring out about their mechanics because the content is not hard.

[Jile]

It's obvious there is a disconnect between the people who presume BST is like any other DD and those who play BST.

Bottom line, presently there isn't a gear set where BST can have their pet doing proper damage and the same for themselves.

Regardless of this update, BST is not a frontline job.

Either our pet wiffs or we do.

BST do not belong anywhere near the frontline. If their pets are expected to be effective the master will be ineffective.

Pick one.

[Shirai]

Neither is a Geomancer, but where are they standing 9 out of 10 times?

[Jile]

SMN was one of my first 75s back in the olden days but I won't presume to tell a SMN main how to play their job as it would be presumptuous on my part.

BST on the other hand is my main and this Nerf was ill planned.

I won't presume to understand GEO but their job is not comparable with BST nor does it bear relevance to how we must choose to be effective ourselves or for our pets to be effective.

[bazookatooth]

Neither is a Geomancer, but where are they standing 9 out of 10 times?

Geos don't front line everything. Only things with no nasty AOE moves. For everything else, they use entrust and stay away. They also have the ability to use stone skin, blink and heal themselves and native magic defense bonus from subjob. Not only that, but when they idle in DT- gear, it doesn't gimp their spells.

Not even a close comparison. And it ignores the fact that if a BST can survive it, then a melee can survive it too, while putting out better damage.

[Arthos]

And this mentality only adds to the problem.
But I guess it's easier to point fingers at others instead of trying to contribute to the sollution yourself by either educating healers, or becoming one yourself if you think they're all so bad.

No one points fingers at others, I'm talking about what i see. I have Whm and I know how hard it can be, sometimes I was good at it and sometimes not. And i dont blame them, they have the hardest job in game. But doesnt change the facts, good and fast Whm's are rare.

Nah, not really.
If my paperskin summoner and white mage with hardly any -DT gear in its idle sets can take one or two AoE's, so can a Beastmaster.
If you can't, you really need to look at your gearsets because if your idle and melee sets are not at least at iLevel stage you have other problems.

I suggest you to have a look at your gearsets, and maybe u find the difference between heavy and light armor. Compare magic defense bonus and magic evasion of both types. You may be surprised.
Also have a look at job traits of your white mage. And now take into count that most AoE's are magic and u know why u dont need DT gear to survive that. And why Bst may need it.