[dev1289] Job Adjustments

[Shirai]

Of course it's a healer problem. But knowing this doesn't change anything. The whole range only hype is caused by healer problems, good Whm's are rare. But how to change that? -> Not possible -> Building safe ranged PT's.
Atleast for shout groups.

And this mentality only adds to the problem.
But I guess it's easier to point fingers at others instead of trying to contribute to the sollution yourself by either educating healers, or becoming one yourself if you think they're all so bad.

Front line DDs and Pets need different Buffs and gear to put out damage and survive TP moves / AOE magic attacks and BST requires both now. Which, it can't have.

Nah, not really.
If my paperskin summoner and white mage with hardly any -DT gear in its idle sets can take one or two AoE's, so can a Beastmaster.
If you can't, you really need to look at your gearsets because if your idle and melee sets are not at least at iLevel stage you have other problems.

Now I do understand that some situational sets dependent on non-iLevel armor, I really do, but for that there's things like timing your moves.
It might prove a bit dificult in the begining, but practice makes perfect.

I'm sorry but Beastmaster hasn't become unplayable, it just takes a different approach now which most skilled players will eventually figure out if they haven't already.
You've just been put back in the same place as all the other melee jobs you've been leaving behind, you've had your fun and you knew this was coming eventually.
If you want "easy" ways to beat high level content, try thinking and figuring out about their mechanics because the content is not hard.

[Arthos]

And this mentality only adds to the problem.
But I guess it's easier to point fingers at others instead of trying to contribute to the sollution yourself by either educating healers, or becoming one yourself if you think they're all so bad.

No one points fingers at others, I'm talking about what i see. I have Whm and I know how hard it can be, sometimes I was good at it and sometimes not. And i dont blame them, they have the hardest job in game. But doesnt change the facts, good and fast Whm's are rare.

Nah, not really.
If my paperskin summoner and white mage with hardly any -DT gear in its idle sets can take one or two AoE's, so can a Beastmaster.
If you can't, you really need to look at your gearsets because if your idle and melee sets are not at least at iLevel stage you have other problems.

I suggest you to have a look at your gearsets, and maybe u find the difference between heavy and light armor. Compare magic defense bonus and magic evasion of both types. You may be surprised.
Also have a look at job traits of your white mage. And now take into count that most AoE's are magic and u know why u dont need DT gear to survive that. And why Bst may need it.

[Jile]

It's obvious there is a disconnect between the people who presume BST is like any other DD and those who play BST.

Bottom line, presently there isn't a gear set where BST can have their pet doing proper damage and the same for themselves.

Regardless of this update, BST is not a frontline job.

Either our pet wiffs or we do.

BST do not belong anywhere near the frontline. If their pets are expected to be effective the master will be ineffective.

Pick one.

[Shirai]

Neither is a Geomancer, but where are they standing 9 out of 10 times?

[bazookatooth]

Neither is a Geomancer, but where are they standing 9 out of 10 times?

Geos don't front line everything. Only things with no nasty AOE moves. For everything else, they use entrust and stay away. They also have the ability to use stone skin, blink and heal themselves and native magic defense bonus from subjob. Not only that, but when they idle in DT- gear, it doesn't gimp their spells.

Not even a close comparison. And it ignores the fact that if a BST can survive it, then a melee can survive it too, while putting out better damage.

[dasva]

Geos don't front line everything. Only things with no nasty AOE moves. For everything else, they use entrust and stay away. They also have the ability to use stone skin, blink and heal themselves and native magic defense bonus from subjob. Not only that, but when they idle in DT- gear, it doesn't gimp their spells.

Not even a close comparison. And it ignores the fact that if a BST can survive it, then a melee can survive it too, while putting out better damage.

Also ignores the fact that loupons have built in innate dt... and recasting them isn't based on a ja timer. And only need potency on cast instead of several seconds every 10 so can stay in full defense the vast majority of the time while stilling keeping even higher DTs on their sort of pet than bst can even achieve.

[Jile]

SMN was one of my first 75s back in the olden days but I won't presume to tell a SMN main how to play their job as it would be presumptuous on my part.

BST on the other hand is my main and this Nerf was ill planned.

I won't presume to understand GEO but their job is not comparable with BST nor does it bear relevance to how we must choose to be effective ourselves or for our pets to be effective.

[Shirai]

And the roughly 1k+ HP you have more than mages means nothing? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not sure what the problem is here exactly, because unlike what Olor wants to try to make me believe Beastmaster did not get a damage cut.
They're still able to do the same, but at the same time they have to take the same risk as any other melee DD out there.
In the end, Beastmaster needs to learn to rely on other jobs to help them. Which is, I do admit, quite revolutionary.

[bazookatooth]

And the roughly 1k+ HP you have more than mages means nothing? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not sure what the problem is here exactly, because unlike what Olor wants to try to make me believe Beastmaster did not get a damage cut.
They're still able to do the same, but at the same time they have to take the same risk as any other melee DD out there.
In the end, Beastmaster needs to learn to rely on other jobs to help them. Which is, I do admit, quite revolutionary.

My GEO has about 125 less HP in idle gear than my BST. Where are you getting the other 850 from? Some game shark hack? And you are correct. As was previously stated numerous times, Beast pets still put out less damage than traditional Melee jobs, just like they always have.

EDIT: ACtually, I was missing my idle head piece when I did that comparison. My GEO has 49 less HP than my BST in idle set so...

[Skyrant_Kangaroomouse]

Please adjust BST ability ranges.

I have no problem being close to the mob or engaging although it is pointless since my gear is not helping me at all in doing damage. Most BST gear is for pet stats not BST stats and does little for me. But the really big problem is the range limitation.

Has any of you at SE tried to hit any end game mob as BST engaged in melee with the available BST gear? If you can hit ANY of these evasive mobs in BST gear i will personally pay for pizza for all developers.

The biggest problem is that I can't even stand behind the mob any more. I just did Salvage II and Einherjar and it was a nightmare because even when engaged i have to be right next to my pet. I can't stand to the side or behind the boss mobs at all. I have to be right in the face of the mob. What are we now? TANKS?

Any bigger mob you will not be able to issue commands at all even when ENGAGED. On big Boss mobs, forget it completely. You can melee but you wont be able to issue commands unless you stand right next to your pet. Get knocked back or pet/boss adjusts which they do a lot then you need to keep adjusting too, finding the "Sweet spot". It has become a game of trial and error.

This is annoying and needs to be changed.

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While we are on the subject. You not only increase SMN range to an absurd number, you also give SMN it's OWN abjuration set, just for them. How about you now introduce a BST set that will actually work with these changes so we can do melee instead of giving us half arsed WAR pieces that do #$@ all.