[dev1289] Job Adjustments

[bazookatooth]

As I recall there were issues where "mule" accounts tended to be a trollier due to the additional anonymity. Mods fixed it by just banning everybody.

Aside from that, if Alhanelem of all people can say that he's never been harassed in-game because of his forum persona, I think that's some pretty good evidence against the anonymity argument.

Making this a discussion about personal information rather than the actual topic is the very definition of trolling...

[Malthar]

You guys realize this is the way to get a thread locked, right?

[Olor]

Skirmish gear is pretty accessible - even to the average player. I stand by that.

No one said it was hard to get skirmish base gear - but yeah it is harder to get good pet augments than melee augments.

At any rate, I've spent waaaaaaaaaaaay less gil on my BLU and it's way better than my BST so... I don't know what your point is? Other than that you don't know what good BST gear looks like or how much it costs?

And I am not alone I know other people who have spent similar amounts to not get ANY TP augment on their axes... Who knows how much it would cost to get one? I don't know because I don't have any more stones to spend.

And being able to farm them is irrelevant - they cost the same amount of gil because you're foregoing the income you could have derived from them. Nevermind that unlike for melees you can't just use one of 3 stones to get the aug you want on a bunch of your gear - it's orb only and I don't see them drop almost ever.

Also soloing skirmish on BST isn't advisable since the mobs will just eat your pet making you an utterly gimp sorta war with no JAs... again destroying your point... if you had one.

[Ataraxia]

Olor currently right now Dusk Orb are cheap and people with account have many mule they can get from Login points.

Dale doesn't know anything when skirmish was new and on the rise. Each Dusk Orb and Duskslit was selling for over 1 million up to 1.5M. When they didn't add +2 item to moogle login points these item are expensive and now it's free if you have many mule.

Many hardcore BST aim for perfection which they focus on Pet Attack +25, Pet Accuracy +25, Pet Haste+5, Pet magic accuracy, Pet Magic Attack and Pet Damage Taken -4 "100+ million worth of gils spent or more.

There is a link of someone who actually play BST to the fullest and have many full set of many augment armors for PET. For most people that hate BST might wanna check that link so you understand other people point of view.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/45...er-compendium/

[Olor]

Olor currently right now Dusk Orb are cheap and people with account have many mule they can get from Login points.

I used my mules' stones on my axe ; ;

Anyway I don't really agree that nearly 3 million for a stack of dusk orbs (on my server) are "cheap"

Cheaper than they were at the beginning? Sure. Cheap Cheap? No. Not cheap.

If I could pay 3 million and get even an augment sort of in the ballpark of what I want that would be cool but... I am not spending any more on BST now that I can't even solo outdated stuff on it as easy as I can do it on BLU

[Elexia]

No one said it was hard to get skirmish base gear - but yeah it is harder to get good pet augments than melee augments.

At any rate, I've spent waaaaaaaaaaaay less gil on my BLU and it's way better than my BST so...

Doubtful. I've been helping a recently returning pre Job Point era Blue Mage get caught up and the JP BSTs we run with are still far superior. Don't make it sound like it's so black & white, absolutely nothing was touched on BST that severely weakened it, as in there's no reports or data posted by anyone, not even SE that shows they nerfed all of the pets, suddenly nerfed every BST WS and nerfed every BST ability.

That is why people who like to harass others on forums typically create level 1 troll characters to do it with. So they can't be held to account by other players.

So I agree with you about this.

We should all have to post on our main characters. It would definitely prompt a more civil discussion... or at the very least one with a lot less b.S.

It's not even for privacy sake or anything, as said they don't want to be confronted in game because they know they start BS with people on the forums and too scared to own up to it.

[Olor]

For what it's worth I know tons of people find my posts on here annoying and no one has ever given me any guff for it in game. Perhaps someone refuses to party with me or something or doesn't answer my shouts - that, I don't know, can't know etc - but that's people's choice. I would hope that folks wouldn't let opinions on game mechanics get in the way of playing the game with others, but if folks are really bothered by it, that's their right.

Doubtful. I've been helping a recently returning pre Job Point era Blue Mage get caught up and the JP BSTs we run with are still far superior. Don't make it sound like it's so black & white, absolutely nothing was touched on BST that severely weakened it, as in there's no reports or data posted by anyone, not even SE that shows they nerfed all of the pets, suddenly nerfed every BST WS and nerfed every BST ability.

Well yeah, a BST with capped JP and super gear is better than a super gimp blu, sure. My BST has a few JP, my BLU has less - but I've spent way less on gear for BLU and overall for most things it's better. And what I used BST for was soloing not party DDing so the distance nerf is a HUGE NERF - since the only advantage it had over BLU was the safety. Now BLU is safer on any older content that can be stunned (and a lot more besides) which is most of it, and it does more damage to boot.

(Native dual wield, self haste 2, bloody MIGHTY GUARD, erasega, party stoneskin, self cures, etc, AND STUNS and better Weaponskills not on gimpy timers... yeah it's better...)

I guess in abyssea if I just wanted to watch my pet slowly take 2 hours to melee down an NM it could be safer? I dunno, just considering it makes my eyes bleed with boredom.

BST is now mostly useless for soloing which is what most people who have played BST forever used it for. Heck, I can't even issue commands from the back end of a mob anymore - have to stand in it's face and eat nasty moves now. The only advantage BST had is gone. It's a crummier DD that does crummier damage than any other straight DD so why would I use it? If I just wanted to be a straight damage dealer I'd level SAM - it's way better than BST in every way.

I'd rather they did a damage nerf than the distance nerf. The distance nerf ruined BST for me. A damage nerf - heck, I was playing BST before they buffed pet WS so I am sure I'd still be playing if they took the damage down a notch. The distance nerf punished long time BSTs, not bandwagoners.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

It's not even for privacy sake or anything, as said they don't want to be confronted in game because they know they start BS with people on the forums and too scared to own up to it.

That's not what was said at all, being harassed is not "owning up" to anything, I have no problems with debating my opinions on something, but I have no interest in being called all the names under the sun while I play my game because of my opinion, please understand the difference.

[bazookatooth]

Doubtful. I've been helping a recently returning pre Job Point era Blue Mage get caught up and the JP BSTs we run with are still far superior. Don't make it sound like it's so black & white, absolutely nothing was touched on BST that severely weakened it, as in there's no reports or data posted by anyone, not even SE that shows they nerfed all of the pets, suddenly nerfed every BST WS and nerfed every BST ability.

BLU was already a better damage dealer. They didn't have to touch anything.

It's not even for privacy sake or anything, as said they don't want to be confronted in game because they know they start BS with people on the forums and too scared to own up to it.

What exactly do I have to be "Scared" of?

[Jile]

I'd rather they did a damage nerf than the distance nerf. The distance nerf ruined BST for me. A damage nerf - heck, I was playing BST before they buffed pet WS so I am sure I'd still be playing if they took the damage down a notch. The distance nerf punished long time BSTs, not bandwagoners.

This is the key. Nothing needed adjustment with job abilities, an adjustment to the pet aoe damage would have made people happy, bandwagons change jobs and left long time BST mains with the core functionality we've always had and SE needs to give back.

SE please, do this.