[dev1289] Job Adjustments

[Dale]

Illogical assumption from a lack of information.

It could be a stretch to say it makes the job "unplayable" but it doesn't mean that players aren't experiencing major frustration and inconvenience for no good reason. The change was unnecessary and only serves to tick people off.

Beast Master was insanely powerful with their super cricket out. I was watching them slaughter normal difficulty avatars faster than a full group and clearing an entire screen full of incredibly toughs in a matter of seconds. So unless they have decreased the power of your pets since I've been away: something did need to happen. They were over-powered. There is just no denying that. Having that kind of damage coupled with the survivability of your pet while being able to stand safely out of the range of area attacks was God-mode. That's why everyone and their mother started leveling a beast master.

Also: every other melee dps on this game faces the dilemma of being killed by area attacks. This is nothing new: so it seems to me from reading this that Beast Master is just having to deal with the same crap every other melee class on this game has to.

I don't play Beast Master. Maybe the range is too small. I'm not saying it isn't. But some changes were necessary.

[Skyrant_Kangaroomouse]

Beast Master was insanely powerful with their super cricket out. I was watching them slaughter normal difficulty avatars faster than a full group and clearing an entire screen full of incredibly toughs in a matter of seconds. So unless they have decreased the power of your pets since I've been away: something did need to happen. They were over-powered. There is just no denying that. Having that kind of damage coupled with the survivability of your pet while being able to stand safely out of the range of area attacks was God-mode. That's why everyone and their mother started leveling a beast master.

Also: every other melee dps on this game faces the dilemma of being killed by area attacks. This is nothing new: so it seems to me from reading this that Beast Master is just having to deal with the same crap every other melee class on this game has to.

I don't play Beast Master. Maybe the range is too small. I'm not saying it isn't. But some changes were necessary.

This change is like reducing the fuel tank of a super car because it goes too fast.
It sure did not change the fact that we still have the super cricket and can still do what we did before. I still laugh at all the melee trying to do as much damage as i do. You all still suck compared to a well geared BST.

The only thing the change did was make it annoying to play the job. So annoying that it is not fun any more. I settle for a 10 yalm range, but not this ridiculous 5 yalm nonsense.

[Dale]

This change is like reducing the fuel tank of a super car because it goes too fast.
It sure did not change the fact that we still have the super cricket and can still do what we did before. I still laugh at all the melee trying to do as much damage as i do. You all still suck compared to a well geared BST.

The only thing the change did was make it annoying to play the job. So annoying that it is not fun any more. I settle for a 10 yalm range, but not this ridiculous 5 yalm nonsense.

Perhaps.

My point is Beast Master was over-powered and it needed to be changed in some way. As I've stated: this may or may not have been the correct way to go about doing it. I've already conceded that. So that's not really a debate I'm interested in having. I'll let people who actually play the job hash that one out.

My objection is for those who suggest the job was fine and no changes were necessary. Because it was not fine and changes did need to happen. It was ridiculously over-powered.

So while it might be true we still all suck when compared to you: at least now you actually have to worry about area attacks and damage the way the rest of us melee jobs do.

[Olor]

Perhaps.

My point is Beast Master was over-powered and it needed to be changed in some way.

No, it was not. It was not. Seriously. Please show me the math where a BST was out damaging other DD jobs. They aren't. They weren't. Everything BST was doing could be done by other jobs. Just differently. Being able to do something differently that other jobs can still complete is not OP. SERIOUSLY. Being occasionally invited to a few endgame events for the first time in 13 years is NOT OP.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Maybe the range is too small.

No maybe about it, I don't mind the change on the range (as such), but it's way too small, should have been at least double.

I still laugh at all the melee trying to do as much damage as i do. You all still suck compared to a well geared BST.

Comments like that is one of the reasons people called for a nerf in the first place.