[dev1289] Job Adjustments

[Dale]

If this happened, which I'll accept it did for the sake of this comment, are you really saying there is a problem because someone, who must be a REALLY good BST done something the majority can not?

I am saying with the addition of those new pets the Beast Master became over-powered when compared to other jobs.

It wasn't a problem for me - in fact it was an asset since they were in my party and helped me get items I wanted. But I'm not going to let my own acquisition keep me from being honest about it and admitting the job was way out of balance.

[bazookatooth]

Why do you feel the need to hide when you come into the forums?

Because people feel like they need to know.

[Dale]

Because people feel like they need to know.

Well just something to consider: if you are going to call people liars and suggest they have not seen things they say they have - the least you could do is show your real character's face on the forum instead of hiding behind a level 1 character.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I am saying with the addition of those new pets the Beast Master became over-powered when compared to other jobs.

It wasn't a problem for me - in fact it was an asset since I had them in my party. But I'm not going to let my own acquisition keep me from being honest about it.

But it ISN'T overpowered unless it's geared right, bandwagon users can not just level it to 99 get ilevel gear and win anything ( about all they can do is the very early BCNM's or Capacity Point parties,) you have to gear it properly to make it that way and surely that shouldn't be punished.

[Dale]

But it ISN'T overpowered unless it's geared right, bandwagon users can not just level it to 99 get ilevel gear and win anything ( about all they can do is the very early BCNM's or Capacity Point parties,) you have to gear it properly to make it that way and surely that shouldn't be punished.

The Beast Master may have been exceptionally played but he was not exceptionally well geared Daniel. All he had was skirmish gear - nothing dramatic. Where as I would have to spend probably a year of my life farming to get an Aegis before I would be able to go toe to toe with Titan as his pet did... and I am suppose to be one the game's tanks and don't have a fraction of the kind of damage his pet did.

I'm not sure exactly how many job points he had but it wasn't that many. I had more: and I'm a casual player.

So this idea that it was so very difficult for Beast Masters to achieve this kind of success just wasn't my experience.

[bazookatooth]

The Beast Master may have been exceptionally played but he was not exceptionally well geared Daniel. All he had was skirmish gear - nothing dramatic. Where as I would have to spend probably a year of my life farming to get an Aegis before I would be able to go toe to toe with Titan as his pet did... and I am suppose to be one the game's tanks and don't have a fraction of the kind of damage his pet did.

I'm not sure exactly how many job points he had but it wasn't that many. I had more: and I'm a casual player.

So this idea that it was so very difficult for Beast Masters to achieve this kind of success just wasn't my experience.

You don't need to know anything about me and I don;t need to know anything about you to know that you were making that story up. It involves game mechanics. Not what server you are on or your AH history or your favorite color.

And FWIW, a set of DT- skirmish gear can cost more than an aegis.

[machini]

As someone that also uses a mule for my character I do so from one reason, it's very easy to wind people up even if unintentional these people, on occasion, then harass you in game making the game very un-enjoyable so I'd rather they only have a mule name so I can still enjoy playing on my main account.

I will affirm this. I wish I had never posted anywhere what my main's name was, and people like Dale are part of the reason for that.

Also, as said above, he sounds like the reason he's getting outtanked is that his tanking set up is sucky. He's probably one of those PLDs who can't pull hate off of my DNC because they have no idea what they're doing.

[Kensagaku]

...While I think that both sides are being a little unnecessarily aggressive and this is devolving from a debate to an argument quite quickly, I would like to clarify one point that Bazooka made. Yorium does in fact have a DT augment, so... >.>; That being said, Dale, if you didn't spend a lot getting a full set of DT from Duskslits either you've gotten extremely lucky or you have no value of money. As someone who has made sets out of Acro, Taeon, Helios, and a handful of weapons for various jobs, I know I've thrown away millions in dusk stones for bad luck augments. And this "bad luck" is fairly common for people.

That being said. A good BST pet -can- tank, but it requires a setup in which you have low-hate DDs and puts the pet at considerable risk. To do damage, you need to swap out of DT gear (though to be fair, you could make acc or attack / DA / DT gear but that only proves the point of well-geared players who have put a lot of money into the system), and your pet needs ways to maintain enmity. Damage alone doesn't provide much and the other DDs will build up their enmity quickly since BST pets have no unique ways of building enmity. BST has some methods to maintain this thanks to a variety of pet enmity gear, but in the end, they will bleed it almost as fast as any DD. I honestly think a PUP automaton can be a far better tank with the stuff they have built in combined with gear, along with enmity generation tools, and they still need special methods to build up their enmity faster.

Now, how about we tone down the aggressive nature on both sides and bring this back into a proper discussion before the mods lock this thread?

[bazookatooth]

...While I think that both sides are being a little unnecessarily aggressive and this is devolving from a debate to an argument quite quickly, I would like to clarify one point that Bazooka made. Yorium does in fact have a DT augment, so... >.>; That being said, Dale, if you didn't spend a lot getting a full set of DT from Duskslits either you've gotten extremely lucky or you have no value of money. As someone who has made sets out of Acro, Taeon, Helios, and a handful of weapons for various jobs, I know I've thrown away millions in dusk stones for bad luck augments. And this "bad luck" is fairly common for people.

That being said. A good BST pet -can- tank, but it requires a setup in which you have low-hate DDs and puts the pet at considerable risk. To do damage, you need to swap out of DT gear (though to be fair, you could make acc or attack / DA / DT gear but that only proves the point of well-geared players who have put a lot of money into the system), and your pet needs ways to maintain enmity. Damage alone doesn't provide much and the other DDs will build up their enmity quickly since BST pets have no unique ways of building enmity. BST has some methods to maintain this thanks to a variety of pet enmity gear, but in the end, they will bleed it almost as fast as any DD. I honestly think a PUP automaton can be a far better tank with the stuff they have built in combined with gear, along with enmity generation tools, and they still need special methods to build up their enmity faster.

Now, how about we tone down the aggressive nature on both sides and bring this back into a proper discussion before the mods lock this thread?

Hmm... Your right. I guess I've just never seen anyone wearing it. Still 6-8mil a stack for +2 stones though.

[Alhanelem]

As someone that also uses a mule for my character I do so from one reason, it's very easy to wind people up even if unintentional these people, on occasion, then harass you in game making the game very un-enjoyable so I'd rather they only have a mule name so I can still enjoy playing on my main account.

If you wind people up very easily...

Let me let you in on a secret. As you can likely glean from my post count and some threads I've participated in, I am rather infamous on these forums for certain things (which are really not entirely accurate, but that's a story for another day). Despite the ire I've sometimes drawn for my comments, I have NEVER been harassed ingame because of a comment I made on the forums.

You have nothing to fear unless you persistently and deliberately harass others yourself. There is basically no way that showing your actual character would subject you to abuse ingame. Even if it did, you could call a GM and get them suspended or banned for harassment.

That's not to say nobody's ever talked to me in game related to something I said on the forums. But I've never been harassed or bothered or attacked ingame for it. And For the most part, I actually like this, because it often results in discussion with forum lurkers who read but don't post on the forums. Often people are much more talkative ingame. Besides that, I have nothing to hide. Feel free to message my character ingame. If you decide to harass me, I'll simply use the ingame tools at my disposal to make it stop- blacklist and GM call.

Because of this, I have to agree that it is pretty lame to hide behind an internet alias that's already hiding behind another internet alias.