[dev1289] Job Adjustments

[Jile]

No it's not. You people want to just stand on the sidelines with your pet doing all the work. Wake up, SE doesn't want you to play that way. SE wants you to stand right next to your pet and fight along side it. You only consider it broken because you don't want to play it the way SE intends for you to play it. Get over it.

A BLM could not play the job the way SE intends for it to be played and melee without casting a single nuke. Is his DPS going to take a hit... you betcha. Play BST the way SE intends for you to play it and stop whining.

Do me a favor, please - stop posting a while and have the respect to try and see why we're having issues and go play BST now. Do something simple like Demolition Squad BCNM and try to use spur and ready moves from behind the BST nm so you don't get charmed.

Spur needed the BST to stand IN FRONT of the BST-NM we were using BST to avoid being charmed by.... That is idiotic, you cant even stand in BACK of the mob your fighting to use SPUR and READY moves?

Please, respectfully, stop posting when you have no idea why the job is broken now. We can adapt to a lot, when things are not broken like they are presently. If this were just an issue if needing to be engaged, it would at least leave BST usable for a limited range of things. Right now its just idiotic and useless. SE needs to repair the damage and offer an apology after they restore us to being a playable job.

[bazookatooth]

Do me a favor, please - stop posting a while and have the respect to try and see why we're having issues and go play BST now. Do something simple like Demolition Squad BCNM and try to use spur and ready moves from behind the BST nm so you don't get charmed.

Spur needed the BST to stand IN FRONT of the BST-NM we were using BST to avoid being charmed by.... That is idiotic, you cant even stand in BACK of the mob your fighting to use SPUR and READY moves?

Please, respectfully, stop posting when you have no idea why the job is broken now. We can adapt to a lot, when things are not broken like they are presently. If this were just an issue if needing to be engaged, it would at least leave BST usable for a limited range of things. Right now its just idiotic and useless. SE needs to repair the damage and offer an apology after they restore us to being a playable job.

You think that's bad, try BST in domain invasion. One of the dragons or Lamia does an AOE attack/spell and your pet runs off after it. So you have to spam "fight" every 10 seconds (animation delay yay!) and hope it doesn't die before it comes back to you, or get hit with another AOE and run away again because you can't cure it or tell it to kill whatever it's after unless you're sitting on it's back. It's completely broken.

[Gwydion]

You think that's bad, try BST in domain invasion. One of the dragons or Lamia does an AOE attack/spell and your pet runs off after it. So you have to spam "fight" every 10 seconds (animation delay yay!) and hope it doesn't die before it comes back to you, or get hit with another AOE and run away again because you can't cure it or tell it to kill whatever it's after unless you're sitting on it's back. It's completely broken.

This...so much this.

[Zuidar]

With what they did on BST, I don't want to imagine what will happen if they did that to other jobs. Oh!


wait for it....

"We want mages to take risk of being there with their melees, so we're reducing the range of Cures, Enhancing Magic, and Elemental Magic. Rangers attack from a distance with bows/guns/crossbows, but we feel they are classified as Front Line Jobs, so we're lowering the range of Ranged attacks and Ranged Weapon Skills so Rangers can take a risk (Oh that also affects corsair too, because Quick draw range will be reduced!). We want PUP to choose a role while fighting so we're reducing the range of their pet abilities. We feel that DRGs should learn to protect their wyverns more, so we're increasing the recast of Call Wyvern to 30 minutes"

[Elexia]

If that was true they would have done more, by now, to make BLMs more adapt in meleeing with Scythes. They wouldn't make changes to mages like that because out of any job classes, that would make absolutely no sense. So much saltiness. It would be funny if they reduced the range of cures, because that would be a change that makes no sense. Not sure when many people actually joined XI but most of the jobs/job types had plenty of changes over the years, especially from the early days. Your "Rangers" example the big change was when they introduced the "sweet spot", which some times put you in danger based on the content at the time.

Don't worry, I'm sure when they reset it people will be back to wanting BST only burns. (Kind of the reason they maimed it in a sweeping matter to begin with.)

[Arthos]

Don't worry, I'm sure when they reset it people will be back to wanting BST only burns. (Kind of the reason they maimed it in a sweeping matter to begin with.)

BST only burns exist since long time, because they got excluded of parties, and only could team up with each other. Now they became popular and we got the opposite, most other jobs got excluded. It's not too hard to solve, some rolls and songs need to be adjusted, simplified, so that they give buffs to player's and pets.
On higher content BST parties have tank and healer, Sinister Reign e.g., it would be no problem to invite a melee. And most people would do it, i think.
So the key to an intelligent adjustment are the support jobs and not taking away essential parts of jobs.

[Malthar]

I think SE made a translation error. When people asked for bst to be fixed they didn't mean for you to cut off our mog bonanza balls. Who else hated getting those balls instead of an actual prize?

[Fynlar]

It would be funny if they reduced the range of cures, because that would be a change that makes no sense.

That logic didn't stop them from doing what they did to BST.

As far as I'm concerned, anything can happen now, for better or for worse.

[Leonardus]

BST should be using their axes in my opinion, but there's plenty of situations where that's not feasible, and this adjustment really hurts. I can only hope our JP brethren are just as upset about this. They're probably our only hope for getting SE to re-evaluate the range.

Increase the charge timers. Tone down the Ready damage. I'll take either, or both. I'd rather use "Chocoburger" and eat my pet to recover HP as a 1 hour than play tag like this.

I don't even do endgame activities, but right now, anything beyond Job Points is just aggravation. What am I supposed to do now when I'm in trouble and I use Unleash? Go stand in front of the NM for a minute? I can't even stand behind them. Good grief.

[Gwydion]

BST only burns exist since long time, because they got excluded of parties, and only could team up with each other. Now they became popular and we got the opposite, most other jobs got excluded. It's not too hard to solve, some rolls and songs need to be adjusted, simplified, so that they give buffs to player's and pets.
On higher content BST parties have tank and healer, Sinister Reign e.g., it would be no problem to invite a melee. And most people would do it, i think.
So the key to an intelligent adjustment are the support jobs and not taking away essential parts of jobs.

I'm sorry, but I really have to address this comment. The Beastmaster strategy that people are complaining about HAS EXISTED SINCE BC40 (mandragoras) was won by 6-BSTs in 2003. It is unfair and unacceptable that SE has nerfed the job because this strategy has works in the most recent content.